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Paedophilia within the game/City launch redress scheme
- Thread starter Dogtanian
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The latest Guardian article seems to suggest Dario Gradi wasn't as oblivious to it all as he claimed yesterday (when he said the first he heard of it was in 1994 after Bennell's arrest in the US):
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/25/crewe-barry-bennell-former-board-member
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/25/crewe-barry-bennell-former-board-member
Newman Noggs
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With crimes as abhorrent as these, it's easy to get sucked into the general mood of hysteria and view events with the benefit of hindsight.
The first line of defence for any child is their parent(s). A consistent theme is the Jimmy Saville syndrome that "everybody knew" but no one did anything about it. If so, why weren't there complaints to the police, why didn't they take their boys away to safety ? It may emerge, in due course, that they did but that is not being reflected in the current reports.
From the reports, whilst there were clearly concerns within the clubs, it doesn't seem to have been supported by much solid evidence and sacking someone without that evidence isn't fair and can't be done without opening the club to legal action. It seems to me that the precautions put in place were sensible ones at the time.
And one last point, I'm always wary of historical enquiries for quite a number of reasons but primarily because memories of events taking place 20+ years ago are rarely 100 percent reliable, there is increasingly a financial interest in being a victim and the press are gagging for a lurid story which will sell papers and lose nothing in the telling to the point of sensationalist misrepresentation whipping up the sort of frenzy that sees paediatricians attacked .
What a shame there are ****s like Bennell in our society.
The first line of defence for any child is their parent(s). A consistent theme is the Jimmy Saville syndrome that "everybody knew" but no one did anything about it. If so, why weren't there complaints to the police, why didn't they take their boys away to safety ? It may emerge, in due course, that they did but that is not being reflected in the current reports.
From the reports, whilst there were clearly concerns within the clubs, it doesn't seem to have been supported by much solid evidence and sacking someone without that evidence isn't fair and can't be done without opening the club to legal action. It seems to me that the precautions put in place were sensible ones at the time.
And one last point, I'm always wary of historical enquiries for quite a number of reasons but primarily because memories of events taking place 20+ years ago are rarely 100 percent reliable, there is increasingly a financial interest in being a victim and the press are gagging for a lurid story which will sell papers and lose nothing in the telling to the point of sensationalist misrepresentation whipping up the sort of frenzy that sees paediatricians attacked .
What a shame there are ****s like Bennell in our society.
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With crimes as abhorrent as these, it's easy to get sucked into the general mood of hysteria and view events with the benefit of hindsight.
The first line of defence for any child is their parent(s). A consistent theme is the Jimmy Saville syndrome that "everybody knew" but no one did anything about it. If so, why weren't there complaints to the police, why didn't they take their boys away to safety ? It may emerge, in due course, that they did but that is not being reflected in the current reports.
From the reports, whilst there were clearly concerns within the clubs, it doesn't seem to have been supported by much solid evidence and sacking someone without that evidence isn't fair and can't be done without opening the club to legal action. It seems to me that the precautions put in place were sensible ones at the time.
And one last point, I'm always wary of historical enquiries for quite a number of reasons but primarily because memories of events taking place 20+ years ago are rarely 100 percent reliable, there is increasingly a financial interest in being a victim and the press are gagging for a lurid story which will sell papers and lose nothing in the telling to the point of sensationalist misrepresentation whipping up the sort of frenzy that sees paediatricians attacked .
What a shame there are ****s like Bennell in our society.
One common theme among all victims is that they didn't tell their parents because they were terrified they would not be believed.
I know this as a fact because of my friendship with victims of Donald Mackintosh, a notorious Manchester policeman , church elder and Boys Brigade leader who ruined several boys futures in the 60s/70s. They all say that to have accused such a community stalwart would have been rejected out of hand at the time.
bluethrunthru
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Crewe were warned about Bennell, discussed him at board meeting
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/25/crewe-barry-bennell-former-board-member
Meetings, internal enquiries , investigations............ FFS nobody went to the Police !! No excuse - read elsewhere that a youth team playing a Bennall managed youth team in the cup ( Boundary Park ) where parents were saying Bennall was a known perve - really sorry but again there is no excuse speak to the Police and child protection authorities - I'd like to think that nowadays rumour would be followed by action but I fear I am being over optimistic.
Stockport mackem
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I have nothing but respect for the admiration, and incredible courage that the players are displaying, as they come out with these harrowing stories.
They must have been haunted for decades by this (these) evil bastard(s).
City, for me are doing all they can by investigating it.....as should every single other club, whether they are implicated or not.
This can't just be a sweep under the carpet...rid this filth from society ...not just football.
I await with dread the Sunday papers....as undoubtedly more horrific revelations come to light.
They must have been haunted for decades by this (these) evil bastard(s).
City, for me are doing all they can by investigating it.....as should every single other club, whether they are implicated or not.
This can't just be a sweep under the carpet...rid this filth from society ...not just football.
I await with dread the Sunday papers....as undoubtedly more horrific revelations come to light.
jay_mcfc
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With crimes as abhorrent as these, it's easy to get sucked into the general mood of hysteria and view events with the benefit of hindsight.
The first line of defence for any child is their parent(s). A consistent theme is the Jimmy Saville syndrome that "everybody knew" but no one did anything about it. If so, why weren't there complaints to the police, why didn't they take their boys away to safety ? It may emerge, in due course, that they did but that is not being reflected in the current reports.
From the reports, whilst there were clearly concerns within the clubs, it doesn't seem to have been supported by much solid evidence and sacking someone without that evidence isn't fair and can't be done without opening the club to legal action. It seems to me that the precautions put in place were sensible ones at the time.
And one last point, I'm always wary of historical enquiries for quite a number of reasons but primarily because memories of events taking place 20+ years ago are rarely 100 percent reliable, there is increasingly a financial interest in being a victim and the press are gagging for a lurid story which will sell papers and lose nothing in the telling to the point of sensationalist misrepresentation whipping up the sort of frenzy that sees paediatricians attacked .
What a shame there are ****s like Bennell in our society.
And what a shame there are people like you with attitudes like that. When you talk like that, you are a part of the problem. This is the kind of attitude that victims expect to hear, especially if they were children at the time. Many suffer their whole lives, some of which will be shortened by suicide. Some might be brave enough to tell the world their biggest secret, very, very few would bare their souls and deepest torments on the biggest platform for financial gain.
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With crimes as abhorrent as these, it's easy to get sucked into the general mood of hysteria and view events with the benefit of hindsight.
The first line of defence for any child is their parent(s). A consistent theme is the Jimmy Saville syndrome that "everybody knew" but no one did anything about it. If so, why weren't there complaints to the police, why didn't they take their boys away to safety ? It may emerge, in due course, that they did but that is not being reflected in the current reports.
From the reports, whilst there were clearly concerns within the clubs, it doesn't seem to have been supported by much solid evidence and sacking someone without that evidence isn't fair and can't be done without opening the club to legal action. It seems to me that the precautions put in place were sensible ones at the time.
And one last point, I'm always wary of historical enquiries for quite a number of reasons but primarily because memories of events taking place 20+ years ago are rarely 100 percent reliable, there is increasingly a financial interest in being a victim and the press are gagging for a lurid story which will sell papers and lose nothing in the telling to the point of sensationalist misrepresentation whipping up the sort of frenzy that sees paediatricians attacked .
What a shame there are ****s like Bennell in our society.
Yes I am sure these ex footballers are seeking financial gain by appearing on tv and telling the world that they were raped by their coach repeatedly. Yes I am sure they are happy to admit that to the world for financial gain. You my friend are a disgrace.
Newman Noggs
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Yes I am sure these ex footballers are seeking financial gain by appearing on tv and telling the world that they were raped by their coach repeatedly. Yes I am sure they are happy to admit that to the world for financial gain. You my friend are a disgrace.
Hysteria doesn't help anyone.
One common theme among all victims is that they didn't tell their parents because they were terrified they would not be believed.
I know this as a fact because of my friendship with victims of Donald Mackintosh, a notorious Manchester policeman , church elder and Boys Brigade leader who ruined several boys futures in the 60s/70s. They all say that to have accused such a community stalwart would have been rejected out of hand at the time.
Don Macintosh was one of my Sergeants as a 17 year old Police Cadet back in the mid 70's. I remember the absolute shock reading the MEN when he was convicted and sent to prison. I can fully understand why those kids would have been terrified of speaking out against him, he was, on the surface, one of the nicest blokes you could meet and I know that, as a group, all of the cadets at that time would have defended him without ever realising that we were simply too old to interest him. Further historical charges were brought against him after he was released and I believe he committed suicide on the back of that a couple of years ago.