Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

[Prestwich_Blue]

I defy you to gain any sort of in-depth knowledge of the history and still say one side is right and the other wrong.

I consider myself to have in-depth knowledge and I'm quite comfortable saying one side is wrong.

So you fully support the use of indiscriminate use of rockets and suicide bombers by Hamas and their associates?

 

[Barker]

You really couldn't make it up could you? A media outlet posts something that completely destroys the arguments you hold against Israel, but it's run by Jews, so of course it's biased and untrue. Does that mean that anything that comes out of Gaza is biased and we shouldn't take it as fact? I'll bare that in mind.

I'm starting to see a pattern here. The Jews are bad.

 

[Skashion]

I defy you to gain any sort of in-depth knowledge of the history and still say one side is right and the other wrong.

I consider myself to have in-depth knowledge and I'm quite comfortable saying one side is wrong.

So you fully support the use of indiscriminate use of rockets and suicide bombers by Hamas and their associates?

No, and you know I don't as we've discussed this before so climb down from the pedestal you ought not to be on. I said the injustices lie heavily on one side, not totally on one side. It would be stupid however to deny that armed resistance groups exist because of the occupation. End the occupation and you'll go a long way to weakening Hamas.

 

[Barker]

I consider myself to have in-depth knowledge and I'm quite comfortable saying one side is wrong.

So you fully support the use of indiscriminate use of rockets and suicide bombers by Hamas and their associates?

No, and you know I don't as we've discussed this before so climb down from the pedestal you ought not to be on. I said the injustices lie heavily on one side, not totally on one side. It would be stupid however to deny that armed resistance groups exist because of the occupation. End the occupation and you'll go a long way to weakening Hamas.

Occupation of what exactly?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I consider myself to have in-depth knowledge and I'm quite comfortable saying one side is wrong.

So you fully support the use of indiscriminate use of rockets and suicide bombers by Hamas and their associates?

No, and you know I don't as we've discussed this before so climb down from the pedestal you ought not to be on. I said the injustices lie heavily on one side, not totally on one side. It would be stupid however to deny that armed resistance groups exist because of the occupation. End the occupation and you'll go a long way to weakening Hamas.

You implied that one side was right and the other wrong, which surprised me as I know you don't really think that, even though your sympathies lie heavily on one side.

 

[dazdon]

Between PB and Barker this thread is that dogmatic it's as deja vu as it gets.

MUST NOT THINK OTHER THOUGHTS.

 

[Barker]

Between PB and Barker this thread is that dogmatic it's as deja vu as it gets.

MUST NOT THINK OTHER THOUGHTS.

Tbf the same could be said for the other side of the coin. The whole thing from both sides just keeps going round and round.

 

[mcmanus]

You really couldn't make it up could you? A media outlet posts something that completely destroys the arguments you hold against Israel, but it's run by Jews, so of course it's biased and untrue. Does that mean that anything that comes out of Gaza is biased and we shouldn't take it as fact? I'll bare that in mind.

I'm starting to see a pattern here. The Jews are bad.

Just straight back at you. Quick and honest question and I would like an honest answer.

if anyone posted cut and paste articles from Muslim or Gaza media outlets that were pro Gaza on this thread would you not even question their content? l

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Between PB and Barker this thread is that dogmatic it's as deja vu as it gets.

MUST NOT THINK OTHER THOUGHTS.

You never make a meaningful contribution. Whatever our views may be (and I don't fully agree with Barker's) we at least try to justify our positions or expalin some background. You just chant meaningless slogans and I really don't think that you have any intelligent understanding of the situation.

You've said you don't support the actions of Hamas and I've said I don't support the actions of the Israeli government. I'm almost tempted to say that maybe we're not that far apart but then you insist in seeing it in black and white whereas I understand there are shades of grey.

 

[Skashion]

So you fully support the use of indiscriminate use of rockets and suicide bombers by Hamas and their associates?

No, and you know I don't as we've discussed this before so climb down from the pedestal you ought not to be on. I said the injustices lie heavily on one side, not totally on one side. It would be stupid however to deny that armed resistance groups exist because of the occupation. End the occupation and you'll go a long way to weakening Hamas.

You implied that one side was right and the other wrong, which surprised me as I know you don't really think that, even though your sympathies lie heavily on one side.

My sympathies lie heavily on one side because the injustices do. That's a fact and easily demonstrable by the fact that Jews have their state, the Palestinians don't and are occupied by the opposite side. I DO believe one side IS clearly in wrong. It's not a difficult premise to grasp that one side be mostly in the wrong but not totally and utterly. That's exactly what I think. I think Israel OWES the Palestinians a viable contiguous sovereign state. I do NOT see it as a trade. The fallacy exists that the situation is about peace and about a trade of land for security. Wrong, and wrong, and the reason why there is never any progress. It should be a given that the Palestinians get their state, instead it is seen as optional that the rights of a people of self-determination and to live free of military occupation are to be achieved through negotiation rather than by default of the rights of human beings. If the Palestinians and Israel are still knocking ten shades of shit out of each other when they have what they are OWED, then trades can be discussed but instead Israeli security for Palestinian security. A like-for-like deal, an actual trade, not negotiation of basic human rights OWED.