Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

[dazdon]

If protesters want to attack they should have gone for the Israeli embassy not Jews in a place of worship.

 

[stonerblue]

When people talk about Hamas they forget that Hamas is a democratically elected party of Palestinians and not the terrorist organization they try to define as,this was one of the conditions set by eu and us for dialogue that Hamas should be in the power democratically,and when every condition was met ans Israel knew they had to come on table finally those death of teenegera came up of which there was no proof at all even the white house statement said that after 2 days of the incident but they used this to create this massacre
And isn't it surprising that Hamas fired so many rockers and targeted civilians and yet there is no news of an injury even forget the death
The current score line is 160+ and counting to 0,and not one report on any damage to buildings?these are facts not fantasies not stories and if u think CNN n BBC is telling the truth then u seriously need to wake the fuck up,and even David Cameron said that Gaza is a prison camp jst 6 months back even though he is allie with Israel...
Just because those people are from a different religion that doesn't make them any less human,just the other day 8 people were killed out of which 5 were children while they were watching Argentina Holland semi final
Those weren't terrorist for sure
Have a heart please and dont look at the news and history as main streem media defines it,and if u look into the history u,ll know whose the oppressed and whose the opressor,I'm not asking u to take Palestinians side just askin you for a neutral take on event after analysing the whole thing

Very well said. Great post.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Oh the delicious irony of a citizen of that beacon of religious tolerance and multi-culturalism that is Pakistan lecturing us on tolerance.

When people talk about Hamas they forget that Hamas is a democratically elected party of Palestinians and not the terrorist organization they try to define

Fact - Hamas is still blacklisted by the EU and USA.

And isn't it surprising that Hamas fired so many rockers and targeted civilians and yet there is no news of an injury even forget the death. The current score line is 160+ and counting to 0,and not one report on any damage to buildings?

Targeting civilians, as Hamas apologists keep telling us, is a war crime whether you kill them or not. There have been some deaths & injuries (fortunately few because Israelis have 15 seconds warning to get to a safe room or shelter) and lots of damage to property. There was a petrol station hit in Ashdod the other day and a serious injury. And if there had been deaths, would then then justify Israeli reprisals that caused more deaths? There's no doubt that if Hamas could cause mass casualties, it would. Would that make you feel better?

Just because those people are from a different religion that doesn't make them any less human,just the other day 8 people were killed out of which 5 were children while they were watching Argentina Holland semi final. Those weren't terrorist for sure

So tell me all about the attacks on non-Muslims in Pakistan. Last September over 85 Christians were killed and hundreds injured by two bombs detonated as they came out of All Saints church in Peshawar. Those weren't terrorists for sure. This is from The Guardian's report of the incident:

"It's not safe for Christians in this country," said Mano Rumalshah, the bishop emeritus of Peshawar, who was standing in the courtyard, comforting sobbing parishioners who clasped his white robes. Everyone is ignoring the growing danger to Christians in Muslim-majority countries. The European countries don't give a damn about us."

Are they lying too?

 

[BillyShears]

Oh the delicious irony of a citizen of that beacon of religious tolerance and multi-culturalism that is Pakistan lecturing us on tolerance.

Why is that ironic? Do you think that CIP is a religious zealot, or do you think that because he was born in Pakistan he cannot have an opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Oh the delicious irony of a citizen of that beacon of religious tolerance and multi-culturalism that is Pakistan lecturing us on tolerance.

Why is that ironic? Do you think that CIP is a religious zealot, or do you think that because he was born in Pakistan he cannot have an opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

He's entitled to his opinion but I'm saying he should worry about his own country's attitude to others before giving us lectures about Israel's. It's akin to PSG criticising our spending. I know a lot of Pakistani-born Catholics who had to flee Pakistan years ago, which probably colours my judgement. Also people who come out with stuff like "the BBC are liars" are generally talking shit.

By the way, I would also have a similar go at any Jew who claimed that Israel had a right to the whole of the Judea/Samaria area because God said so in the bible.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

At the end of the game, what do the winning team get?

 

[BillyShears]

Oh the delicious irony of a citizen of that beacon of religious tolerance and multi-culturalism that is Pakistan lecturing us on tolerance.

Why is that ironic? Do you think that CIP is a religious zealot, or do you think that because he was born in Pakistan he cannot have an opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

He's entitled to his opinion but I'm saying he should worry about his own country's attitude to others before giving us lectures about Israel's. I know a lot of Pakistani-born Catholics who had to flee Pakistan years ago.

It's akin to PSG criticising our spending.

No it's not, it's nothing of the sort. I could just as easily tell you that before anyone English goes lecturing any other country about their war crimes they should first look at the illegal war we waged in Iraq and it's fallout. The truth is no matter which country you live in you have little or no control over the political decisions your country makes.

I realise Pakistan isn't the bastion of Western democracy, but since Britain has no problem in kidnapping people based on their religious beliefs, renditioning them to Diego Garcia, then allowing them to be tortured for tenuous reasons before at best sending them home saying "oops sorry we fucked up and got the wrong guy" and at worst simply detaining them forever, then CIP is entitled to air his opinion without you attacking him for it and effectively telling him he's a fucking hypocrite when he has zero control over what his government does or what the political situation in his country is.

For all you know he could loath the extremists in Pakistan and could be just as vociferous in his opinion on them as he is on the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

Twice you've let yourself down in this discussion by going after him based solely on where he comes from. I expect better from you, no matter how "hot" the topic.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

At the end of the game, what do the winning team get?

Lebensraum, and a blank check from America for the rest of eternity.
Now, I like the odd wager now and again, but even I wouldn't be backing the Palestinians here.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

At the end of the game, what do the winning team get?

Lebensraum, and a blank check from America for the rest of eternity.
Now, I like the odd wager now and again, but even I wouldn't be backing the Palestinians here.

Given some of the donkeys you've backed over the years that's saying something.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

At the end of the game, what do the winning team get?

Lebensraum, and a blank check from America for the rest of eternity.
Now, I like the odd wager now and again, but even I wouldn't be backing the Palestinians here.

Given some of the donkeys you've backed over the years that's saying something.

Fair comment.
Being serious for a nanosecond, the whole situation is just incredibly sad, as I honestly believe that the vast majority of folk on both sides of this seemingly intractable conflict are decent, reasonable people who just want to live their lives in peace, and raise their kids without wondering whether their school is going to be reduced to rubble that day.
Sadly, such folk don't seem to be the ones who get to the negotiating table, so you end up with a mutually unsatisfactory stalemate with blameless victims on both sides ending up in boxes prematurely for no good reason, with their funerals hijacked by the extremists to whip up resentment and a revenge mentality that does nobody any favours.
Until such time as the political will exists in both the Arab and Israeli communities to far more flexible and less dogmatic in both policy and rhetoric, it's hard to see this changing anytime soon.