Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

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Prestwich_Blue said:
dazdon said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
But you don't think it's shocking that Hamas fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians. Living in fear is the same whatever side of the border you live on. Do you accept that?

I do, and I think Hamas firing rockets into a civilian population is wrong......but we know that you cannot remove an ideology just with force you have to win the minds of the population and not enough is done to bring this to fruition.

If you have ever read any of my posts about extremists then you would garnish from them that I have very little time for them.

This includes HAMAS.....it's the death of these civilians that bother and irk me.
If that's genuinely your position then I take back what I said and apologise for saying it. Our views probably aren't that far apart.


To be fair m8 you wont find a single post of mine on this thread/forum supporting Hamas or any other organisation that wants to bring death to civilians.

I just can't reconcile myself to the thought that there isn't another way other than bombing into submission....the Israeli forces could bomb these people for weeks but the Rats in the cellar will still exist and infect others to their cause.
 
Great move to kill them 3 teenagers now..wouldnt surprise me one day if israel take over gaza for the israelian people.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The Israelis have just bombed a school for handicapped kids.

Will this madness ever stop?
They probably warned them though, so that's alright.
 
Hmmm, I could have sworn I heard that the residents of Sderot were living in fear of Hamas rocket fire, nope, they're sitting on the hillside with popcorn, cheering every bomb that hits Gaza!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...siles-strike-palestinian-targets-9602704.html


In killing what it terms 'militants', Israel is carrying out extra-judicial assassinations, which are illegal under international law.
In killing the people of Gaza and destroying their homes, hospitals, mosques and infrastructure, Israel is carrying out collective punishment, which is also illegal under international law.
Israel is recognised by the UN as an occupying power in Gaza, an occupation which is illegal under international law. The siege of Gaza, ongoing for seven years, is collective punishment and also illegal.
Collective punishment, when an entire civilian population is brutalised, is a breach of the 4th Geneva Conventions. Grave breaches of the Conventions are considered to be war crimes under Article 8 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
 
Crab Paste! said:
Hmmm, I could have sworn I heard that the residents of Sderot were living in fear of Hamas rocket fire, nope, they're sitting on the hillside with popcorn, cheering every bomb that hits Gaza!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...siles-strike-palestinian-targets-9602704.html


In killing what it terms 'militants', Israel is carrying out extra-judicial assassinations, which are illegal under international law.
In killing the people of Gaza and destroying their homes, hospitals, mosques and infrastructure, Israel is carrying out collective punishment, which is also illegal under international law.
Israel is recognised by the UN as an occupying power in Gaza, an occupation which is illegal under international law. The siege of Gaza, ongoing for seven years, is collective punishment and also illegal.
Collective punishment, when an entire civilian population is brutalised, is a breach of the 4th Geneva Conventions. Grave breaches of the Conventions are considered to be war crimes under Article 8 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

That's incredibly shocking m8 ;-/
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Plaything of the gods said:
He is also, of course (no pun intended), Jewish. His basic premise in the video is that the Palestinians are the root cause of the problem because they didn't agree to Jews muscling into their land and setting up their own Jewish state there for their own people. In the wrong because the Israelis did agree to this.

I've contributed off and on to this thread. Mainly off because the protagonists have fixed and immovable positions and trying to "debate" is pointless. However, I must say this.

Sticks against swords
Stones against guns
Fireworks against mortars
Pickup trucks against tanks
Random-trajectory rockets against air-to-ground guided missiles

One has to admire the determination of the Palestinians to continue when at such a disadvantage.

If the roles were reversed, the Israelis would have capitulated long ago. ;o)
The roles were most definitely reversed in 1948. After the UN approved the partition plan, the standing Arab armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq (together with Palestinian paramilitary forces that had been attacking Jews for 20 years) moved to destroy the fledgling state. They had tanks, mortars, planes and limitless weaponry and ammunition. Yet the Israelis won pretty comprehensively, probably because they had nowhere else to go and knew what the outcome would most likely be if they lost.

You talk about "debate" yet say things like "...didn't agree to the Jews muscling in..." That in itself proves you have no grasp of the background and are just one of the 'sloganeers'. Have you ever wondered why so many Palestinians are still living in shit-heap refugee camps after 65 years? Particularly when the same number of Jews fled or were expelled from their own homes around the Middle East and North Africa at the same time yet aren't living in tents. Or when 15m people were displaced in India, when that country was similarly partitioned just months earlier yet aren't living in squalor dreaming of a land they had to abandon.

And did you realise that most Arab countries in the area (including Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia) are just as artificial as israel being created out of the post-Ottoman territory and given to their rulers by the French and British to repay favours done by the various tribes or clans or to create a bulwark against other colonial or local powers?

Have you ever been so vocal about the oppression of the Tibetan people by China? Or the war being fought against the Muslim Uighur people in the far west of China? I guess not and would be interested in why that is.
Point me to the threads. I must have missed them.

As for the rest, well you can dress it up however you like but at the end of the day there will not be peace until you come to an accommodation with the Palestinians. There must be something about that land that makes it so desirable for everyone to want to live there.
 
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