Pellegrini is the new manager (Malaga Newspaper reports)

[bluevengence]

viva el ingeniero

 

[Balti]

The Dye is set.

The utopian stability the Media and lots of us crave will come from the Director of Football and the structure of the club to be firmed up over the next year or so.

I have never had an problem with sacking managers if they weren`t doing the job. Why keep a duffer to continue to be a duffer for the sake of stability. Obviously in Mancinis` case he wasnt a duffer and I would have given him another year. But the stability we will get now will be club wide and not manager dependent . It will be bottom up not Manager down.

We are firmly going down the European route where the coach is the coach. We are the first top English club to fully embrace it (a risk but at least executed by people who understand the system). If the coach does a good job he will last 2,3 maybe 4 years and then be gone. The next coach will be one that is prepared to freshen things up within our stable system.

The difference for us now is rather than stumble from frizzell, to machin, to (kendal)Reid to Horton, Ball and clarke etc.. We will move from Mancini to Pellers(?) to A.N.Othet top coach.

Get over it, get used to it. We will follow the model which works for Madrid, Barca and Bayern not the Rag model.

Completely agree, and to be honest, it sounds pretty good.

United, and to some extent previously Arsenal, are exceptions. It appears to only be in England that managerial stability is considered a pre-requisite for success. The media will slate us for it, but to be honest, if we're winning trophies on a consistent basis, they'll look pretty stupid for doing so, and we shouldn't care.

Key players can come and go every 3-4 years, why should it be different for managers? Particularly when it will be the club as a whole that determines the style of play. If Pellegrini only lasts 2 years it's not as if we're suddenly going to hire Big Sam and have to have a complete overhaul of the playing staff to create a squad that suits his style of play. The club will have a solid identity, philosophy, style, call it what you will, and we will buy players and hire managers to suit.

We've had plenty of stick since Monday night for the 'holistic approach' statement but to me it's perfectly logical. English football fans have had the "Fergie-model" of management rammed down their throats for years, we expect the manager to have full control and essentially run, by himself, the key parts of the football club. Thinking about it, that's pretty stupid. Fergie was a one off. It makes much more sense to create a footballing identity throughout every level of the club and find executive staff, coaches, players, academy prospects and a manager who suit.

It's become pretty clear over the past couple of days that Mancini's fractious personality and need for control didn't fit this model. So whilst the timing of the sacking; the news breaking in cup final week and the actual sacking being a year to the date we won the league, wasn't ideal, it was really inevitable that he had to go. We all appreciate what he did for the club but we're moving in a different direction now, so we'll say our goodbyes on Sunday and move on. The future's blue.

I suppose it also increases the pool of (usually continental) managers that could replace the incumbent as well.....

when the next change comes does the new manager still appear with an entire coaching staff entourage in this set-up or is it more just the manager himself with the rest/ most of the rest of the previous coaching staff remaining in situ to provide the continuity in terms of system/ academy links etc?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

On what basis have you decided that?

Thought and intuition.

I dont think he will hit the ground running like Mou and Ancelotti who won the league in their first season.
He'll do well in Europe no doubt but quarters is as far as he gets. City also dont have the right CM to make it pasts the quarters. Unless he gets someone in like Alonso.

Its much more difficult to get a result against English teams. He find that a cultural shock. He also has the press to deal with.

I thought city was "dead" to you?

Haha, he didn't, did he?

We always get these drama queens when something happens. Remember the clowns saying they would walk out if Tevez ever played again?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Well. they have got a manager who spent 11 years at his previous club, so he comes with a reputation for not hop, skipping and jumping, still that doesn't preclude a push.

Of course that helps, and it seems to be the main quality they have recruited him for. But so many different variables went into him staying there for 11 years, just as they did for Taggart, that you can't possibly treat it as an exact science, which is what united appear to be trying to do. The most glaring variable is that united stuck by Ferguson for 5 years while he figured out what to do, and Moyes won't be afforded anything like that level of leniency.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but Isco is coming as well, Malaga have confirmed it this morning.

Great news

 

[nickson71]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but Isco is coming as well, Malaga have confirmed it this morning.

Great news

have they? more great news if so

 

[kunaguero10]

In England people tend to look down on the idea that the 'manager' just coaches the players and the owners/board controls who is bought and sold. Abramovich has been criticised a lot in the past for having a say in where his millions go, with many people pointing the finger and saying this model is wrong.

Well I don't mind giving it a go like many foreign teams do. If correctly implemented it provides more stability than a manager who can come and go whenever (every 2 years for instance), taking a whole back room team with them. Any new manager will want to bring their own staff in, change half the players and the way the team is run.

Well if the board, and the ideas of the board (not necessarily individuals) remain constant then this should allow the club to remain successful for many years, and across many managers.

As great as having a manager like Baconface, serving for 26 years is, now he has gone the whole club must start afresh. I'm willing to give this new model time

 

[Danamy]

No disrespect to salfordpaul but I dont buy these "Pep in 2 years" stories for a minute.

Clubs don't strategise like that. Noone knows what will happen to us, Pellegrini, Pep or Bayern over 2 years. Managers don't sign short term deals like that when they can get long ones elsewhere with bigger payoffs. They don't want to be relocating their family for a fixed term.

It doesn't ring true at all.

Agreed - watch this space to see who's on on MP's coaching staff (O:

Got to be Vieira

Hmmmmm, although he would be the obvious choice there may well be a curve ball on this one?

 

[kenzie115]

The Dye is set.

The utopian stability the Media and lots of us crave will come from the Director of Football and the structure of the club to be firmed up over the next year or so.

I have never had an problem with sacking managers if they weren`t doing the job. Why keep a duffer to continue to be a duffer for the sake of stability. Obviously in Mancinis` case he wasnt a duffer and I would have given him another year. But the stability we will get now will be club wide and not manager dependent . It will be bottom up not Manager down.

We are firmly going down the European route where the coach is the coach. We are the first top English club to fully embrace it (a risk but at least executed by people who understand the system). If the coach does a good job he will last 2,3 maybe 4 years and then be gone. The next coach will be one that is prepared to freshen things up within our stable system.

The difference for us now is rather than stumble from frizzell, to machin, to (kendal)Reid to Horton, Ball and clarke etc.. We will move from Mancini to Pellers(?) to A.N.Othet top coach.

Get over it, get used to it. We will follow the model which works for Madrid, Barca and Bayern not the Rag model.

Completely agree, and to be honest, it sounds pretty good.

United, and to some extent previously Arsenal, are exceptions. It appears to only be in England that managerial stability is considered a pre-requisite for success. The media will slate us for it, but to be honest, if we're winning trophies on a consistent basis, they'll look pretty stupid for doing so, and we shouldn't care.

Key players can come and go every 3-4 years, why should it be different for managers? Particularly when it will be the club as a whole that determines the style of play. If Pellegrini only lasts 2 years it's not as if we're suddenly going to hire Big Sam and have to have a complete overhaul of the playing staff to create a squad that suits his style of play. The club will have a solid identity, philosophy, style, call it what you will, and we will buy players and hire managers to suit.

We've had plenty of stick since Monday night for the 'holistic approach' statement but to me it's perfectly logical. English football fans have had the "Fergie-model" of management rammed down their throats for years, we expect the manager to have full control and essentially run, by himself, the key parts of the football club. Thinking about it, that's pretty stupid. Fergie was a one off. It makes much more sense to create a footballing identity throughout every level of the club and find executive staff, coaches, players, academy prospects and a manager who suit.

It's become pretty clear over the past couple of days that Mancini's fractious personality and need for control didn't fit this model. So whilst the timing of the sacking; the news breaking in cup final week and the actual sacking being a year to the date we won the league, wasn't ideal, it was really inevitable that he had to go. We all appreciate what he did for the club but we're moving in a different direction now, so we'll say our goodbyes on Sunday and move on. The future's blue.

I suppose it also increases the pool of (usually continental) managers that could replace the incumbent as well.....

when the next change comes does the new manager still appear with an entire coaching staff entourage in this set-up or is it more just the manager himself with the rest/ most of the rest of the previous coaching staff remaining in situ to provide the continuity in terms of system/ academy links etc?

Ideally the latter, the fewer new employees you have to integrate into the system the better. However, it wouldn't be surprising if there were one or two back room additions with each change of manager. I'd suggest it'd be far removed from the current situation though.

 

[nickson71]

Agreed - watch this space to see who's on on MP's coaching staff (O:

Got to be Vieira

Hmmmmm, although he would be the obvious choice there may well be a curve ball on this one?

Would have though Vieira is being groomed for higher roles in the club rather than the coaching route