Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

[Colin Bells Boots]

Look at Ferguson's record and then consider how he fucked up the rags and left them when he 'retired'. They've still not recovered.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

If, as he suggests, Pep has been locking himself away searching for a solution for this slump, and still hasn't found one, I think it's time to accept that he's absolutely stuck in his system.

If he isn’t thinking seriously about walking away, he's probably lost the plot completely.
He should have left gloriously, with his reputation 100% intact, after we won the CL.

Four in a row already seems a very distant memory.

Still crying about losing to the rags, as the biggest day in the life of as City supporter , see .

 

[eastmanc]

I would rather change the entire team than sack Pep, he has proven over and over again that if he has a good enough squad, he delivers trophies. Every club in the world would dream of having him as their manager and cant think of a single option that wouldn't be a downgrade.
With that said, the results are currently not good enough an no one, including Pep, is above criticism.

I just think this "we should play the youngsters instead, cant play worse" argument is a bad one. They certainly could play worse and I think some seriously underestimate the enormous difference in level between youth and PL football, the highest level in the world. Especially since the ones arguing we should play the youth players instead have little to no idea of what level they are. For all we know they could be twice as bad as the players we want to see benched.

The solution is to replace these players with better ones, not worse ones.

I would of definitely given Jacob Wright a go at number six.

 

[Damanino]

not sure how he searches for the solution of this slump when we see exact same thing every game, we are outdone and outfought in most games due to same things. laborious attacks that are very slow and does not scare defences and wide open trough midfield and defence is split open by a long ball or a just a deep pass into space. or our players do unforced gaffes giving opponents a lifeline and a big chance.

its not like he tries different things we lose games in a row in same way. players must be fed up especially our defenders. they really get no help that midfield front of them aint screening or stopping any run let alone any attack.

the fitness of the side is brutally shit now, we pushed off the ball, they just run past our players, the weak press we do makes them smile, while when they press us we make gaffes.

drop points vs Everton and Leicester too and we drop below likes of Brighton, Newcastle etc. we already let Arse, Chelsea, Forest, Villa front of us.

 

[Blue Maverick]

not sure how he searches for the solution of this slump when we see exact same thing every game, we are outdone and outfought in most games due to same things. laborious attacks that are very slow and does not scare defences and wide open trough midfield and defence is split open by a long ball or a just a deep pass into space. or our players do unforced gaffes giving opponents a lifeline and a big chance.

its not like he tries different things we lose games in a row in same way. players must be fed up especially our defenders. they really get no help that midfield front of them aint screening or stopping any run let alone any attack.

the fitness of the side is brutally shit now, we pushed off the ball, they just run past our players, the weak press we do makes them smile, while when they press us we make gaffes.

drop points vs Everton and Leicester too and we drop below likes of Brighton, Newcastle etc. we already let Arse, Chelsea, Forest, Villa front of us.

And I think that’s the problem lots are having, if Pep just put a couple of youngsters in and it failed then it’s not much different, at least Gundogan gets an extra week off, but if he just keeps doing g the same thing people lose their patience it’s inevitable. He has not changed it for 12 games, yes the injuries pile up but the back 4 needs protection and legs in front of it, the total opposite from what we have, put a youngster or two there at lest they might track back, then give it to the experienced players to go forward.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

I've a simply rule in life, if these tosspots are for it.....

Man City urged to sack Pep Guardiola as crisis worsens with nightmare Aston Villa defeat​

I'm against it.

sack him and the rags would immediately kick Amorim out and put all their resources towards signing him up

 

[The perfect fumble]

sack him and the rags would immediately kick Amorim out and put all their resources towards signing him up

If your competitors/enemies want you to do something, my advice, don't do it.

 

[Merlin's Magic]

Seems like even record breaking success for 7 consecutive years don't buy even a month of struggle and failure. I mean, I feel embarrassed after reading some of the opinions here. The lack of gratitude is just staggering. Are we so soft that only 12 games made us forget the 300-400 games and 7 years of unprecedented success. The team is at its lowest and this is the time when we get behind the players and manager. Was so heartened to see the vociferous away support at Villa Park yesterday. PURE CLASS!

 

[Brewster's millions]

He’s not going to be sacked; if he leaves it will be his decision and likely in response to continued losses and a lack of any discernible improvement in performances.

Difficult to put a timeframe on such a scenario, but performances like we had in the second half yesterday - absolutely dire - suggest that things aren’t really improving and so it depends on Guardiola’s own appetite for it.

If he keeps playing the same way and refuses to change the system or try different/younger personnel, and getting the same results, at what point does he think that enough is enough?

One thing that doesn’t get discussed that much is the fact that he had actually decided to leave at the end of this season, and not renew his contract, before (ostensibly at least) the losses prompted a change in his decision.

I doubt whether he signed the contract for the right reasons and if he truly has the appetite and energy levels to rebuild the team given the level of change required.

 

[Lavinda Past]

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I agree, yesterdays game further proved he either hasn't learnt anything during this run, or if he has he thinks he's above having to apply what hes learnt to change anything. He's watching the same thing happen week in week out, nothing is improving we're just getting worse and worse.

The one game he did make out and out changes to the personnel/system we won comfortably against Forest. Funny that.

All this "change it" guff - will result in exactly the same outcome with even worse performances. The players were recruited to play a specific system only.
Not to flick a switch and play traditional, footeh at pace.
Unfortunately we're stuck with this until new recruits arrive and injury ravaged players return.

 

[blueparrot]

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Yes, kneejerk blind panic is always the best way to react to any problem.

 

[Ajm1985]

I would rather change the entire team than sack Pep, he has proven over and over again that if he has a good enough squad, he delivers trophies. Every club in the world would dream of having him as their manager and cant think of a single option that wouldn't be a downgrade.
With that said, the results are currently not good enough an no one, including Pep, is above criticism.

I just think this "we should play the youngsters instead, cant play worse" argument is a bad one. They certainly could play worse and I think some seriously underestimate the enormous difference in level between youth and PL football, the highest level in the world. Especially since the ones arguing we should play the youth players instead have little to no idea of what level they are. For all we know they could be twice as bad as the players we want to see benched.

The solution is to replace these players with better ones, not worse ones.

But by virtue of playing them, they give the older/senior players more rest - Gundogan & Bernardo have played more minutes than they should have and we are in a loop of rushing injured defenders back in, only for them to be reinjured. They can also potentially offer greater upside in different areas than those currently getting minutes. They may well be absolutely shite, but we are also currently quite poor & experience the same weaknesses every game.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Yes, kneejerk blind panic is always the best way to react to any problem.

Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

 

[blueparrot]

Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

There will be no dying on swords. The club will be calm,Pep will be calm. A year from now we'll be fine and all this kneejerk nonsense will look as silly as all those posts from his first year with us, it's probably the same posters not learning So you can think and post as you like, the club will be far more sensible about it.

 

[mexico1970]

There will be no dying on swords. The club will be calm,Pep will be calm. A year from now we'll be fine and all this kneejerk nonsense will look as silly as all those posts from his first year with us, it's probably the same posters not learning So you can think and post as you like, the club will be far more sensible about it.

Even when we were winning it was becoming a bit of a bore fest, I know it's unpopular but this getting to the byline then passing back continuously isn't exactly riveting.

 

[meeesh]

There will be no dying on swords. The club will be calm,Pep will be calm. A year from now we'll be fine and all this kneejerk nonsense will look as silly as all those posts from his first year with us, it's probably the same posters not learning So you can think and post as you like, the club will be far more sensible about it.

I understand that, and I’m not looking for a knee jerk reaction neither, but in your own opinion where does that leave this season way things are?
I mean let’s be honest we don’t really want that Thursday night football, (wishful thinking) and not wanting to sound raggish, but if we finish out of the European places altogether where does that leave us in getting in decent recruitments in, it’s worrying as fuck and being calm is one thing but in reality it’s concerning now

 

[Lavinda Past]

Al this "change it" guff - will result in exactly the same outcome with even worse performances. The players were recruited to play a specific system only.
Not to flick a switch and play traditional, footeh at pace.
Unfortunately we're stuck with this until new recruits arrive and injury ravaged players return.

Playing deeper and using Doku / Savinho on the counter supporting Haaland, would give a lot more support to the defence.

That would at least stem most of the daft mistakes we've been making, and may well provide the goals we're sadly lacking.

January window is tough. We've got to try to offload a few of our biggest earners to clear the decks for (no doubt overpriced) signings who will probably need six months to 'settle in'.

Hugo Viana has got a lot on his plate thanks to Txiki's shortsighted succession planning.

 

[itisrising]

There will be no dying on swords. The club will be calm,Pep will be calm. A year from now we'll be fine and all this kneejerk nonsense will look as silly as all those posts from his first year with us, it's probably the same posters not learning So you can think and post as you like, the club will be far more sensible about it.

I feel like this is an issue - City fans comparing this season to Pep's first season.

In 16/17, we didn't have the personnel to fully execute Pep's style but we were actually a very good side. We were the best team in terms of expected points and goals, we were exciting to watch.

This season isn't like that, we're genuinely a terrible team - our form over 12 games is the worst in Europe. This is alarmingly bad.

Yes we can look back at all of this in a year if our form improves to a semi respectable level but there's no way we're making it that far if this continues as is. No club can sit tight and have this continue.

 

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

 

[meeesh]

Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

We’ve never had a bad a run as this before though neither, the only saving grace here is that he’s signed to stay a couple more years, so your logic is fine and acceptable if he does it in that space of time, difference being here we are gonna have to ship out bigger (older) players and if he cries like he did when Sergio was leaving, I don’t want to see how his reaction will be when he has to say bye bye to 6 or 7 of them!

The way Aguero was treated by the way was nothing short of disgraceful but we’ve moved on since then, Pep has a bigger task on his hands now that’s for sure