Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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Taking this logic further, should we stick with the current squad for another couple of years?

I agree it's difficult to find the right players and I don think we have over the past couple of windows. There is a need to constantly integrate players into the squad whilst letting those on the downward spiral leave at the right time. I think we've failed at this over the past 2 years but to be fair having won 2 titles in that period it would have been incredibly harsh to let anyone go. The incoming players just haven't been able to step up to the same level and it's primarily the reason we are where we are now requiring a bigger incoming quota than one would have wished for.
 
So all the videos of Lillo walking around and chatting with Grealish and Foden and doing coaching with them. He's got a little interpreter in his ear telling him what jack is saying back to him?

Funny how when Lillo left there was a thread on this forum asking if that's why we had turned to shit.

No issue with his apparent lack of English when we romped to record breaking seasons in the last few years I guess?
Nobody (apart from rags and dippers and a few media wankers) can dispute our management team led by Pep has been superb at bringing success. Totally fkn brilliant.

However, what’s at issue now is whether they also have the skills to cope with a much changed situation where the squad is degraded, the system is no longer able to be executed and our weaknesses are known to every aspiring Pulis or Moyes.
 
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Not like you to bang on about the subs , again. You dont just throw on five subs ffs
In normal seasons when we have mostly total control that's true, but we have absolutely no control and injuries and fatigue have killed us, every game is end to end madness so yes in this case he needs to use his all subs, ok maybe not every game but definitely most of them, in several games this season we've looked knackered immediately after the restart and that's unacceptable for a top flight team let alone the champions, and his lack of substitutions and throwing half fit players rather than use youth has played a major part in that.
 
Pep's a bit of a an enigma, sometimes I think he really gets us and at other times I feel he's about as distant to us as the rags are to their next league title.

He is undoubtedly City’s greatest and most successful manager although maybe not my most personal favourite. He has some excellent attributes as well as some rigid characteristics in his personality. He has idea's and can see patterns of play long before the norm but also appears stubborn to the point of it being detrimental at times. He can appear funny, likeable and charming but I feel he is far more abrasive and has little time for things outside of football in his daily routine. I'm not sure if his door is always open so to speak.

By and large I've stopped watching some of his interviews and press conferences. It's plainly obvious he doesn't want to do them, yet it's something he is contactually obliged to do often appearing niggly and short with his answers or sometimes rambling incoherently.

I'm not sure he has a plan B which most manager's get crucified for. Buying his way out of trouble could well be levelled at him. When his system works it's unstoppable and when it doesn't then we see the breakdown of the past few months. He does strange things like dropping players when they get MOTM, pulling Haaland off after 5 goals when he could have had the first double hat-trick in the CL. Personally I felt he didn't want Messi to be overshadowed by that. His call for 5 subs and then never appearing that interested in using them. Calling out certain players publicly but never ever others. Something other players he has managed have called him out for.

He's a genius of the modern game but that does not mean he cannot be questioned. I don't accept it's ok to take a year off, i'm fairly certain he doesn't too. Yes we all expected a drop off and we would all be accepting of that but in no other proffession can you let your standards drop for 12 months and not be questioned. Football moves quickly and the old adage of you are only as good as your last game is the standard set. Once they retire they can all sit back and wallow in the adulation this team will no doubt receive but then and only then will they become legends of the modern Premier League. Until that time his and the players legacy need to remain intact and performances and results need an upturn immediately.

I think his style of football has contributed to the lack of atmosphere at some games. Not all and it's not the sole reason of which there are many others but its a factor. It's not easy watching tippy tappy football rotating for the sake of it whilst sat in the freezing cold. For instance I can't remember the last single crunching tackle we put in. You know the type that get you off your arse screaming "Come on City get into the Bastards" it's just not the modern City. We need an injection of that and to show our opponents we can mix it with the best. The derby was chronic, not one hard tackle that I can remember.

We all love him and are fully behind him it's just sometimes I'm left scratching my head...in the style of Pep maybe!

I have my own feeling that he is on the spectrum but then I also think most of us are. A discussion for another time.

I enjoyed your post and agree with a lot of it.
 
And TBF, Gundo has tried his very best to be supportive to Pep in his hour of need. So that’s commendable up to a point. However at some stage, and hopefully before CL qualification is at serious risk, someone needs to acknowledge the realities.
We are already at the point where CL qualification is at serious risk
 
In normal seasons when we have mostly total control that's true, but we have absolutely no control and injuries and fatigue have killed us, every game is end to end madness so yes in this case he needs to use his all subs, ok maybe not every game but definitely most of them, in several games this season we've looked knackered immediately after the restart and that's unacceptable for a top flight team let alone the champions, and his lack of substitutions and throwing half fit players rather than use youth has played a major part in that.
Ah the youth card , we have enough young starters as it is, in the games he has subbed a couple or three players of lesser talent it has all gone to shit, the players are exhausted ,mind and bodies have been thrashed for four seasons straight, some understanding and support wouldnt go amiss
 
Pep is the only manager I know who can be regarded as a genius. Only Rinus Michels before him had a comparable influence on how football is played but not to such an extent. The thing with Michels is he won little at club level compared to Pep.

Basically, Pep combines the best of both worlds: he has revolutionised football like Michels and is winning trophies like Ferguson (at an even better rate than Ferguson).

Even the best can have difficult years and decline. I don't think Pep has peaked. Let's hope this season will make him an even better manager. Can't wait to watch the third City team he is going to build over the next two seasons.
 
cannot believe that pep actually thought we were good to go this season with the squad we had because almost the entire fanbase where crying out for cover .
 
cannot believe that pep actually thought we were good to go this season with the squad we had because almost the entire fanbase where crying out for cover .

Pep banked on Rodri and the CBs staying mostly fit. If Rodri was fit, we'd have been close to Liverpool and the season would have looked pretty normal. Also, it's impossible to predict Bobb's injury, Foden's staggering loss of form, injuries to both Dias and Akanji, Walker playing like a pub player, etc. This season is the perfect negative storm, no one can predict everything and deal with all possuble negative events in advance
 
Pep banked on Rodri and the CBs staying mostly fit. If Rodri was fit, we'd have been close to Liverpool and the season would have looked pretty normal. Also, it's impossible to predict Bobb's injury, Foden's staggering loss of form, injuries to both Dias and Akanji, Walker playing like a pub player, etc. This season is the perfect negative storm, no one can predict everything and deal with all possuble negative events in advance
Rodri was crying out for cover after playing every game and he even injured pre season . At least he’s admitted he’s fucked up .
 
Rodri was crying out for cover after playing every game and he even injured pre season . At least he’s admitted he’s fucked up .
We saw that when he was suspended for 3 or 4 games last season. If i remember correctly we dropped points in all of them he didn't feature in!

A club of our stature shouldn't be going into a season with ONE striker and ONE defensive midfielder.

If Pep sanctioned that then he needs to question himself!!
 
Rodri was crying out for cover after playing every game and he even injured pre season . At least he’s admitted he’s fucked up .
Kova was supposed to be able to cover rodders along with gundy as he used to do before he left , he had a great season in spain so no reason to think he would fade back here

Having said that nobody to see rodders out for a whole season coming
 
Nobody (apart from rags and dippers and a few media wankers) can dispute our management team led by Pep has been superb at bringing success. Totally fkn brilliant.

However, what’s at issue now is whether they also have the skills to cope with a much changed situation where the squad is degraded, the system is no longer able to be executed and our weaknesses are known to every aspiring Pulis or Moyes.
Absolutely this.

Ultimately it is up to him to find solutions to the problems and currently neither he nor the coaching staff are doing that.
 
Pep banked on Rodri and the CBs staying mostly fit. If Rodri was fit, we'd have been close to Liverpool and the season would have looked pretty normal. Also, it's impossible to predict Bobb's injury, Foden's staggering loss of form, injuries to both Dias and Akanji, Walker playing like a pub player, etc. This season is the perfect negative storm, no one can predict everything and deal with all possuble negative events in advance
Except Pep has been predicting it for the last year. He was constantly saying he was waiting for dip. He was adamant no team can keep up this level. So why did he think it was ok to carry on for another season pushing the same already exhausted players? Why hadnt he planned for this dip? Yes, Rodris absence has acerbated the severity of the dip but it was coming nontheless.
 
Kova was supposed to be able to cover rodders along with gundy as he used to do before he left , he had a great season in spain so no reason to think he would fade back here

Having said that nobody to see rodders out for a whole season coming
As was mentioned we lost every game when Rodri was suspended the season before and we knew kova couldn’t do that job yet we still went ahead and didn’t get cover . I remember I remember the centurions season and domestic treble when our bench was amazing and I can’t even comprehend how this has been allowed to happen . Sometimes even the great pep can get it wrong .
 
Ah the youth card , we have enough young starters as it is, in the games he has subbed a couple or three players of lesser talent it has all gone to shit, the players are exhausted ,mind and bodies have been thrashed for four seasons straight, some understanding and support wouldnt go amiss
We've already had this conversation many times so not going to bother again, you just can't convince me that giving Silva 90 minutes every week makes sense.
 
Except Pep has been predicting it for the last year. He was constantly saying he was waiting for dip. He was adamant no team can keep up this level. So why did he think it was ok to carry on for another season pushing the same already exhausted players? Why hadnt he planned for this dip? Yes, Rodris absence has acerbated the severity of the dip but it was coming nontheless.

One can't predict the extent of injuries. Rodri might have stayed fit and helped us win more big trophies.

You can't sign a top DM in case Rodri does his ACL. Nobody buys a top player to replace your most important player in case he gets a bad injury. Kova had a whole season to learn the system and replace Rodri for a month or two if necessary. But Rodri is irreplaceable for a whole season. He's the best player, not simply the best DM. He would make any of the top 6-7 teams in the world *the* best if he joined them, including teams that have barely won anything like Arsenal. There's a case to be made that he's the most influential City player in the PL years.

Fans want a perfect world in which everything is predictable and smooth. This is not Disneyland though. Sometimes shit happens. You accept it and move on.
 
nothing explains the general lack of fitness. even the younger ones like Foden, Haaland often seem like half dead. Bernardo not injured but burnt out. he looked burnt out already early October. defenders too.

we are tired 2 months after the season started. not enough time in pre season? sure but other top clubs had similar issues.

right now we have only 4 injuries, Dias, Stones, Bobb and Rodri, out of these Bobb is training, Dias should be back very soon imo. Stones will never get fit for 5 consecutive games ever again imo, his body is done for that type of fitness. injury crisis is over, 2/3 injured players is normal quantity wise, some clubs have 7/9 players out currently.
look at Spurs injury list, complete starting defence almost out with Vicario GK, Romero, van de Ven, Ben Davies all out since weeks. and Udogie, Bentacur, Werner also all out for tonight.

the fact we didnt prepare for adequate Rodri plan B options in uite some time and spent almost 100m on Phillips/Nunes in the meantime thats all on us. we are paying the price for it big time.
 
That guy gets on my fucking wick , he has attatched himself to pep after he interviewed him in spain, he has made a living out of it , bit like so called royal experts writing books to pad there pensions and not because they are in the know

We all can make stuff up , he hasnt been in peps circle ever, and why talk shite with the worst journo who hates him
 
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