Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

[Blu1]

Why, would he take the 300m players with him?

Cmon you know what I mean. He spends a load of cash which a new manager will need to work with & they might not be players he wants.

 

[Dax777]

I don't know why, but I've started thinking that if we secure top five and win the FA Cup, Pep should bow out on that and leave with his head held high.

Not in an angry "Pep Out" kind of way. I actually think if we kept him for the final two years of contract he'd win us the Premier League one more time.

But the entire club is entering a new era with Txiki going and De Bruyne is joining him. Maybe this is the right time to flood the club with new ideas and fresh faces.

Let Pep sort out issues in his personal life, take the massive payout and spend a year out of the game, picking the best offer on his desk at the point of his return.

Let's get Inzaghi on the phone from Inter and see if he fancies giving England a go and turning us into a counter-attacking side with Marmoush and Haaland leading the line.

Like how Wenger should have left Arsenal in 2014 but didn't, I don't want us hanging on and on and on, never knowing when Pep's actually going to go until it's too late.

Win the FA Cup and leave with yet another piece of silverware. Put a lovely cap on his time here by winning the third FA Cup of his tenure with his old guard and send him off with a smile.

I actually think this is what's going to happen. If we win the FA cup and finish in CL, he'll bow out.

 

[Lavinda Past]

I actually think this is what's going to happen. If we win the FA cup and finish in CL, he'll bow out.

I do hope so. It's been hard work watching his tactical dross this season. By a long way, the most boring season watching City since Hughes left.

 

[Bluewonder]

Cmon you know what I mean. He spends a load of cash which a new manager will need to work with & they might not be players he wants.

That would be a failing of the club from top to bottom. Either that, or we'd appointed Tony Pulis. Which I suppose is the same thing.

 

[jrb]

There’s not a better coach than Pep around. People need to be very careful what they wish for. That’s before we talk about the fact literally a year ago he won his 4th title on the bounce.

The best coach around wouldn’t have picked that team today.

I’m not asking for Pep to go.

But sometimes you have to admit Pep made a bad team selection, and tactical mistakes. Today was one of those days.

Pep out! ;-)

 

[jrb]

This thread has got to end up in the ‘classic threads’.

In 10 years time blues will be amazed at the utter madness spoken about our greatest ever managers.

What a clown he must have been. Proper idiot.

Pep isn’t a Clown.

Clowns make people laugh and cry.

Today Pep played the Joker.(the film)

Nobody is laughing.

 

[Damanino]

he needs some help in the staff. whoever helping him with set pieces need replacing. also tactically we looked lot better with Arteta and Maresca around. young upcoming managers, with ideas and some passion.
old Lillo sleeping on the bench next to him may not be helpful much.

we need to play more exciting football.

the tired and over the hill players who have their best years behind them ad I include Bernardo, Stones, Grealish in that not just Gundo, KDB, Walker, this wont cut it. they served us well, but now they hold us back.
while lot of recruitment recently just not up to great standards.

we do need a serious winger in the ilk of Saka, Salah, Raphinha etc, with serious output. if we had one Pep wouldnt default to ask fullback to offer width with limited wingback skills o the attacking side of things..

also in Marmoush again we signed a great player who excels in transitions, fast pace attacks look at his highlights in Frankfurt, polar opposite to our general playing style. we prefer slow attacks, we even wait opponent to arrive back after a corner once they are set defensively then we start move the ball ahead slowly. this is so bad to watch.

but generally we need to play quicker, rather than sign players who good inn that but ask them to play our older-slower style.

its telling Flick arrived at Barca and first thing he did was telling Gundo who he was friend with from national team, that he wont cut it because Barca needs to play a high tempo style going forward and he wont have the engine.
we on the other hand were happy to bring him back, we dont play high tempo, "your slower engine will be perfect here"
things sad at the time Barca doesnt respect him, they dont value his experience etc. they just knew what style they want to build, and Flick knew after 2-3 pre season training days he cant do that.

 

[mccity]

I still think he's been unlucky in the sense that everything that could go wrong, personnel wise, has gone wrong

Half the squad had no preseason due to going deep in the international tournaments. We lost Rodri and Bobb for the whole season. All our CBs were getting injured, which forced whoever recovered fastest to play too soon and get injured again. De Bryune's legs went. Grealish and Foden have struggled all season physically and mentally. Gundogan, Bernardo, Haaland and Gvardiol played far too much and too frequently on account of not being injury prone, which was particularly problematic for the first two. Doku's had his fair share of fitness issues too. Even for Pep himself, he's not had it easy, especially with his marriage ending

This is all best highlighted through the likes of Nunes and O'Reilly. Nunes has had a increasingly impressive season. O'Reilly's come in and been a breath of fresh air. But the fact that they're two of the biggest positives of the season really speaks volumes about the rest of the team

Of course, this isn't exonerating Pep. He's made mistakes. We all know that. Most notably gambling on no Rodri backup and taking too long to try integrate youth at a time when we were desperate for energy

This season for us feels similar to us in Pep's first year or even Liverpool in 22/23. There's a tonne of talent in the ranks, all still more than capable of being part of a league winning side. But there's too much deadwood, either in terms of fitness, age, attitude or some combination of the above

Really what we need is to freshen things up. In 17/18, we got rid of the golden oldie fullbacks and brought in Walker, Ederson and Bernardo, and that transformed us. Many of the players who struggled the previous year suddenly found a new lease on life. Liverpool last season got rid of loads of older and injury prone players and brought in a new midfield, and now they're a league winning team. This kind of refresh is what I believe we need

I think the January signings were all promising. Marmoush is clearly going to be good. I have high hopes for Gonzalez once he gets up to speed; maybe with Rodri playing he'll have more freedom to attack like he did in Portugal. Khusanov is a talent that I reckon will prevent us from having the same CB crisis we had mid-season

If we can get the transfers right, next season we'll be singing Pep's name in praise once again

 

[Blue2202]

You asked me if I'd give 100%

I quoted a statistical model that says the chance is 94% and that I'd go with that

You then said it was irrelevant.

So why did you ask?

Because the same statistical model would have likely had City at 90% to beat the second worst Premier League team of all time?

Proof that percentages from statistical models mean absolutely nothing in predicting the outcome of something.

I just thought you'd have a bit more of a stronger argument to back up your point of defending Peps management so vehemently after an absolutely awful result, which has left our qualification for champions league in the balance.

 

[TFC]

I love him, but fuck me he loves a good overthink.

More of this shite next season and we can expect much the same in terms of where we end up. The squad is crying out for change, both tactically and personnel wise. Put faith in some of these players ffs.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I don't know why, but I've started thinking that if we secure top five and win the FA Cup, Pep should bow out on that and leave with his head held high.

Not in an angry "Pep Out" kind of way. I actually think if we kept him for the final two years of contract he'd win us the Premier League one more time.

But the entire club is entering a new era with Txiki going and De Bruyne is joining him. Maybe this is the right time to flood the club with new ideas and fresh faces.

Let Pep sort out issues in his personal life, take the massive payout and spend a year out of the game, picking the best offer on his desk at the point of his return.

Let's get Inzaghi on the phone from Inter and see if he fancies giving England a go and turning us into a counter-attacking side with Marmoush and Haaland leading the line.

Like how Wenger should have left Arsenal in 2014 but didn't, I don't want us hanging on and on and on, never knowing when Pep's actually going to go until it's too late.

Win the FA Cup and leave with yet another piece of silverware. Put a lovely cap on his time here by winning the third FA Cup of his tenure with his old guard and send him off with a smile.

Yes, but not Inzaghi! He’s fucking mental and I don’t fancy him remonstrating up and down the touchline for 95 minutes every game. In England, he’d be banned for half the season!

 

[eastmanc]

This thread has got to end up in the ‘classic threads’.

In 10 years time blues will be amazed at the utter madness spoken about our greatest ever managers.

What a clown he must have been. Proper idiot.

Could not agree more, we will be accused of being happy clappers by some of the fools on Bluemoon for still wanting the man who led us to 18 trophies to lead us again next season.

 

[waspish]

When games start we all see we playing to slow to predictable we all seen how it will pan out especially this season! So one of my big bug bares is pep will see it 9/10 will do nought in the first half and for me it's because the players are doing what he has asked but way to slow and he thinks a goal will come eventually with how we dominate the game!

 

[supercity88]

When games start we all see we playing to slow to predictable we all seen how it will pan out especially this season! So one of my big bug bares is pep will see it 9/10 will do nought in the first half and for me it's because the players are doing what he has asked but way to slow and he thinks a goal will come eventually with how we dominate the game!

To be fair that's how it's worked in the past few league games and we won four of them. Whilst yesterday was disappointing when we were 2-0 down to Palace I wasn't expecting us to win that then beat Everton and Villa too. We beat Wolves to follow that up which has put us in a strong position. Yesterday we should have won undoubtedly but we have got more points from that run than most would have expected and it's still in our hands.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Next season there needs to be a seismic shift with tactics and motivation

 

[waspish]

he needs some help in the staff. whoever helping him with set pieces need replacing. also tactically we looked lot better with Arteta and Maresca around. young upcoming managers, with ideas and some passion.
old Lillo sleeping on the bench next to him may not be helpful much.

we need to play more exciting football.

the tired and over the hill players who have their best years behind them ad I include Bernardo, Stones, Grealish in that not just Gundo, KDB, Walker, this wont cut it. they served us well, but now they hold us back.
while lot of recruitment recently just not up to great standards.

we do need a serious winger in the ilk of Saka, Salah, Raphinha etc, with serious output. if we had one Pep wouldnt default to ask fullback to offer width with limited wingback skills o the attacking side of things..

also in Marmoush again we signed a great player who excels in transitions, fast pace attacks look at his highlights in Frankfurt, polar opposite to our general playing style. we prefer slow attacks, we even wait opponent to arrive back after a corner once they are set defensively then we start move the ball ahead slowly. this is so bad to watch.

but generally we need to play quicker, rather than sign players who good inn that but ask them to play our older-slower style.

its telling Flick arrived at Barca and first thing he did was telling Gundo who he was friend with from national team, that he wont cut it because Barca needs to play a high tempo style going forward and he wont have the engine.
we on the other hand were happy to bring him back, we dont play high tempo, "your slower engine will be perfect here"
things sad at the time Barca doesnt respect him, they dont value his experience etc. they just knew what style they want to build, and Flick knew after 2-3 pre season training days he cant do that.

All sensible but you listen to pep how he sets his team up last 3/4 years it's all about control possession football stop the transitions! He has said attack quick the opponents attack quicker! He is not going to change, so we either need better younger players with hunger or we carry on as we and wait till pep contract runs out because we ain't going sack him! I wouldn't want to! Regarding Barcelona going forward they that good that have a leaky defence don't matter in 95% of games but when you come up against top quality managers teams you will get found out especially in Europe! The league they'll win it in Spain most years playing like that! The premier is different for me..

 

[spacecadet]

Been saying since Christmas that he needed to get a solid back four. He fell across one after Bournemouth cup game. They have been solid. What does he do after a kid misplaced a few passes v Wolves? He starts fucking meddling and reverts to basically the same outfit at Southampton that has been so poor all season. Leaves Marmoush out, and moves the excellent Gvardiol out of his best position and brings back fucking Lewis. He may have won us many trophies but he tinkers for no good reason. Porto CL final v Chelsea, a few FA Cup semi finals and last year's final v rag vermin was and is still unforgivable in my book.

 

[DenizCTID]

I don’t get it, we signed Players the last 2 Seasons for the perfect Dynamic Counter with Doku, Savinho, Marmoush, Khusanov(to Save us) and we cant use the pace we now have in the squad as we lack creativity. Haaland also is more effective to run in behind. We are, especially this season, so poor to find the Spaces and the runners. I know the opponents are 99% parking the bus but we cant find the way for them to offer us this space in behind, if they offer it we don’t use it. Need to sort out what we want to play. Control? Speedy counters? We are so boring and frustrating to watch. Using subs way to late. Wanting the control but don’t have the legs in the midfield to cover or create. Tells us enough that Kovacic is by far our best player this season.

 

[christened at st marks]

Had a sleep on it, this is not a go at past hero's but if we keep Gundo, Bernie, Kev, Pep will play them, it is not having them, that is the problem.
I have never enjoyed the way Pep plays with a striker and we have the worlds best, it is not the Spanish (Barca way, currently now have a German coach), I know we have won everything, but I've only enjoyed the glory and individuals, Dave, Kev, not the way we've played under Pep.
This is not yesterday's result I knew it would happen as soon as Erl was fit and again not a go at him, he has his weaknesses that don't help, pressing, just the change in system back to boring shite again, very successful boring shite, stick it up your arse, Pep out.

and while I'm venting fuck the Spanish CEO off with his fucking tourists with camera's, glad I didn't say what I really feel.

 

[Bluewonder]

Because the same statistical model would have likely had City at 90% to beat the second worst Premier League team of all time?

Proof that percentages from statistical models mean absolutely nothing in predicting the outcome of something.

I just thought you'd have a bit more of a stronger argument to back up your point of defending Peps management so vehemently after an absolutely awful result, which has left our qualification for champions league in the balance.

It means there's a 94% chance we qualify for the Champions League.

Because the same statistical model would have likely had City at 90% to beat the second worst Premier League team of all time?

Proof that percentages from statistical models mean absolutely nothing in predicting the outcome of something.

I just thought you'd have a bit more of a stronger argument to back up your point of defending Peps management so vehemently after an absolutely awful result, which has left our qualification for champions league in the balance.

I think you need to look up how percentages work.