Pep Guardiola

[LookIfoundmyKnob]

Regardless of who comes in, if we do bring in another manager you guys forget about the player turnover.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of our players sold off and new ones brought in.

I don't like Mancini, followed him while growing up in Italy and he never seemed like a good manager, just another fool who takes the clubs money goes after popular players and wins not because his tactics are good and his exemplary managerial skills but because the players he buys save his skin.

But hey, he's our manager as of right now so you can't go against the grain until new tides come.

And yes football is a business. The guy who posted it earlier hit the nail right on the head. Mancini's doom will come from Europe, not from England.

 

[lloydie]

Probably no different than when the war lords were looking at sacking Leslie.

there was a poll on here the week Hughes was sacked and there's a clear majority in favour of keeping him.

Oh dear. Clear majority of blue hang head in embarrassment then. The guy was an utter tool and should have been sacked ages before he did. We are STILL unpicking the damage that moron did.

Majority perhaps but not as clear as you remember it and where it was clear it was at a time when there was no clear alternative, so it was Hughes or ????. The argument was around a wholly different set of circumstances and is pointless now. In retrospect it seems a simple choice, it wasn't at the time.


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[dref619]

Says alot for Mancini that the man who stewarded arguably the greatest period of success in club football history is being constantly linked with us and people don't want him.

It's going to happen though IMO

 

[decmancity]

What he did at Barcelona has to be applauded but you can't help but think he had a prime golden generation of players to get him the trophies, you look at every other manager who is touted as one of the best managers in the world and they all have world class players also so I am not discounting his achievements just because he has Messi or Iniesta because then Mourinho's would be invalid also as he has Ronaldo and many other players in the past.
It is just his lack of experience outside the "perfect club" that worries me slightly. Who knows he might go to AC and rebuild them and make them a huge force again and we will be kicking ourselves for not bringing him in our he goes there and spends money and gets nowhere and we sit back and think thank fuck for that just proves he needed Messi.

We have seen Mourinho go and win every country, in very nice circumstances of course but his record shows his trophies not what he spent. Ancelotti has done the same.


I can't decide, I love Mancini for what he has done for this club and how players have blossomed under him but then you think Guardiola maybe the shift we need to head into a future dominance for years.

I am glad I am not making the decision!

 

[zeven]

WTF? you guys should be ashamed.

Let see how Pep do with another team first. He has alot to prove

Mancini has build a great city team and made them winners.

 

[ped]

Regardless of who comes in, if we do bring in another manager you guys forget about the player turnover.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of our players sold off and new ones brought in.

I don't like Mancini, followed him while growing up in Italy and he never seemed like a good manager, just another fool who takes the clubs money goes after popular players and wins not because his tactics are good and his exemplary managerial skills but because the players he buys save his skin.

But hey, he's our manager as of right now so you can't go against the grain until new tides come.

And yes football is a business. The guy who posted it earlier hit the nail right on the head. Mancini's doom will come from Europe, not from England.

yousoundlikeaknob

 

[Chippy_boy]

WTF? you guys should be ashamed.

Let see how Pep do with another team first. He has alot to prove

Mancini has build a great city team and made them winners.

What guys???

Ashamed of what???

I don't see many "Mancini out" posts here. Quite the contrary - most people are saying they would rather we stuck with him.

The questions whether we ARE going to replace him, not whether we SHOULD do so.

He has my full support and will continue to do so. But that doesn't mean I think he will be here for seasons to come because I don't think he will.<br /><br />-- Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:40 pm --<br /><br />

Regardless of who comes in, if we do bring in another manager you guys forget about the player turnover.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of our players sold off and new ones brought in.

I don't like Mancini, followed him while growing up in Italy and he never seemed like a good manager, just another fool who takes the clubs money goes after popular players and wins not because his tactics are good and his exemplary managerial skills but because the players he buys save his skin.

But hey, he's our manager as of right now so you can't go against the grain until new tides come.

And yes football is a business. The guy who posted it earlier hit the nail right on the head. Mancini's doom will come from Europe, not from England.

yousoundlikeaknob

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[ox-blue]

When Bob drops us for the Italian national job we will all be glad that Pep is available

 

[BlueAnorak]

Pep will probably crash and burn in the Prem away to Stoke, Evertom, Sunderland, West Ham etc. He really has a lot to prove. The new Barca manager seems to be doing a better job. Mancini on the other hand has proved to be a great manager in the white heat of battle - even when the opposition is NOT playing football.

 

[yayas trusty right foot]

Cant believe there are still people on here who thought city were wrong to sack Clueless..

He was totally out of his depth and we should have changed the manager much sooner..

 

[royle]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

 

[pee dubya]

They weren't really the dominant club at the time to be fair, they hadn't won anything for the previous 2 seasons.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.

Last year more than this, if you ask me. This year was always a ridiculous draw, with 4 title winning teams for gods sake.

But who can say whether United would have come through our group? I suspect they might. I certainly think they old have got something out of the Real game if they were 2-1 up with minutes to go.

Apart from playing badly - which we have - we have shown little or no guile in terms of getting points ugly or otherwise. We have looked naive. And that is in large part down to the manager and how he's prepared us.

 

[royle]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.

Last year more than this, if you ask me. This year was always a ridiculous draw, with 4 title winning teams for gods sake.

But who can say whether United would have come through our group? I suspect they might. I certainly think they old have got something out of the Real game if they were 2-1 up with minutes to go.

Apart from playing badly - which we have - we have shown little or no guile in terms of getting points ugly or otherwise. We have looked naive. And that is in large part down to the manager and how he's prepared us.

The only game I think we looked outclassed was the Dortmund game,the Real game could of and should of been won,it was the players that sat too deep and invited Real on to them and ultimately lost.

It was also the players who allowed Ajax to score twice from set pieces,that is just bad defending,not bad management.

Regards Pep as a manager,he took over a world class squad,Mancini took over a mid table squad,yes he has spent,but even now he doesn't have a squad as good as Barcas.

I am not saying Pep isn't a good coach,but he still has a lot to prove and is a bigger gamble than Mancini,Frank Rijkaard did well at barca as coach,his next job he only lasted a year at Galatasary before getting the boot,managing world class players can make a bad coach look good,Mancini has proved he can manage and improve a team from mid table to champions,Pep is still an unknown quantity,he could be another Mourinhio or he could be another Rijkaard.

 

[rickmcfc]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

A very good post. Ferguson has won 2 European cups in 26 years, that's one every 13.5 seasons. Not that impressive really. Give Mancini that time frame and he would eclipse ferguson on the European scale. City as a club, have has 2 very tough years in the champions league - people don't take that into account when saying we should be going further in Europe.

 

[emiratblu]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

A very good post. Ferguson has won 2 European cups in 26 years, that's one every 13.5 seasons. Not that impressive really. Give Mancini that time frame and he would eclipse ferguson on the European scale. City as a club, have has 2 very tough years in the champions league - people don't take that into account when saying we should be going further in Europe.

Two very good posts, Mancini has had to encounter two very difficult groups, not surprised we have struggled, any club would. The point to make is how you define long term. The owners have a long term view which obviously sees beyond the current manager. Mancini will go one day, either he resigns or he gets pushed, it will obviously worry the owners that he has spoken to other clubs because that shows clearly he is uncertain he has a long term future.
The recent ex Barcelona appointments obviously accelerates the potential for Pep to join us. It is a matter of when not if.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.

This year hasn't been an underachievement in the CL. Dortmund and Madrid are both better than us. In many ways.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?

Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.

Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.

Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.

This year hasn't been an underachievement in the CL. Dortmund and Madrid are both better than us. In many ways.

I think that's a fair shout about Dortmund and Real. But what about 1 point from 6 against Ajax? And also you might question whether Dortmund *should* be better than us with the squad we have. We have better players than them imho and its not like we are a new team that has not had time to gel. We can't use that excuse any more. Would *should* be better than Dortmund and I would agree we are not. We should be the 2nd best team in that group and we should have taken a point from Real at least, and 4 or more from Ajax, so we should be looking to qualify. I know football isn't as simple as that but to miss out is underachievement in my view.

But look, my point on here is not to come out and criticise Bob. I like the guy. I think he's a very good coach - if perhaps not at the very very top level, certainly very good and good enough. I think it would be wrong to sack him now no matter who is available to replace him and I hope we don't.

I think left to get on with the job, he would deliver us the league title again, which would do me just fine :-) We are starting to play much better than our early season form and I am sure we will soon be back to swashbuckling best. How marvellous it was to see us banging in 3+ goals (and often 4 or 5) goals a game.

 

[CityCTID]

Regardless of who comes in, if we do bring in another manager you guys forget about the player turnover.

I would not be surprised to see a lot of our players sold off and new ones brought in.

I don't like Mancini, followed him while growing up in Italy and he never seemed like a good manager, just another fool who takes the clubs money goes after popular players and wins not because his tactics are good and his exemplary managerial skills but because the players he buys save his skin.

But hey, he's our manager as of right now so you can't go against the grain until new tides come.

And yes football is a business. The guy who posted it earlier hit the nail right on the head. Mancini's doom will come from Europe, not from England.

LookKnob, you are talking absolute rubbish,

Talk about getting your facts straight you clown:

Mancini's first managerial career was at a cash-stricken Fiorentina, and managed to win a Coppa Italia with NO budget.

At Lazio, he inherited financial constraints and lost a number of key players. With limited resources and tight budget, he still managed to win another Coppa Italia, reach a UEFA Cup semi-final, and secure a lucrative Champions League place.