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Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
They landed lucky with a bunch of kids coming through their academy and particularly Messi. Without Messi would they have won so much ?

Let's be honest, it would have been difficult to f*ck up with a team like that.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some credit but I don't think you can say he was responsible for the emergence of the Barca side.

If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.

He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.


I don't understand football.

I do think though you could have put Messi anywhere in an advanced role and he would still have been a superstar. He could have been a false 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 to be fair and the end product would most likely have been the same.

I also think Romario was the greatest player of his generation and is recognised as such in an era of fantastic players so I'm not sure what point you are making with that one.
 
grim up north said:
Alan Ball Stuart Pearce Steve Coppell et al and some don't want Pep when Manuel leaves. Spoilt brat city


We've moved on a bit since then grim.

You may not have heard but we are one of the richest clubs, if not the richest club in the world.

We'll never forget the past but we can't live in it either. We've moved on.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
grim up north said:
Alan Ball Stuart Pearce Steve Coppell et al and some don't want Pep when Manuel leaves. Spoilt brat city


We've moved on a bit since then grim.

You may not have heard but we are one of the richest clubs, if not the richest club in the world.

We'll never forget the past but we can't live in it either. We've moved on.

I know pal but people whining about the top manager is taking the piss
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
They landed lucky with a bunch of kids coming through their academy and particularly Messi. Without Messi would they have won so much ?

Let's be honest, it would have been difficult to f*ck up with a team like that.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some credit but I don't think you can say he was responsible for the emergence of the Barca side.

If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.

He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.


I don't understand football.

I do think though you could have put Messi anywhere in an advanced role and he would still have been a superstar. He could have been a false 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 to be fair and the end product would most likely have been the same.

I also think Romario was the greatest player of his generation and is recognised as such in an era of fantastic players so I'm not sure what point you are making with that one.

My point was that Guardiola was the difference between Messi being one of the best in the world and being the best of all time.
 
Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Bluewonder said:
If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.

He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.


I don't understand football.

I do think though you could have put Messi anywhere in an advanced role and he would still have been a superstar. He could have been a false 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 to be fair and the end product would most likely have been the same.

I also think Romario was the greatest player of his generation and is recognised as such in an era of fantastic players so I'm not sure what point you are making with that one.

My point was that Guardiola was the difference between Messi being one of the best in the world and being the best of all time.
Absolutely
 
Pep Guardiola Prepared to Quit Bayern Munich Amid Mounting Criticism
By Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist Apr 17, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ain.com&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=uk-sports

It's hard to imagine any discontent at Bayern Munich this season. After all, the team won the Bundesliga with seven games to spare—the fastest the title has ever been clinched—has reached the DFB Pokal final and faces Real Madrid in the Champions League semifinals.

The German giants are in line for a treble, led by first-year manager Pep Guardiola, who is surely a hero amongst the supporters and club. Or is he?

Last month, the club's honorary president, Franz Beckenbauer, had to clarify comments that sounded as though he was insulting the style of play Guardiola brought to the club. And there has also been disappointment in the club's recent play in the league, having lost twice and drawn once in their last three Bundesliga matches.

Guardiola decided to address any criticisms levied at him on Wednesday, and made it known in no uncertain terms that he would be willing to move on if that was best for him and the club. From Dermot Corrigan of ESPN:

Asked about the latest criticism of his methods at a news conference on Wednesday, Guardiola told reporters that he found some of the negativity hard to take and was prepared to move on if the club wanted a change.

"I have to accept the criticism," Guardiola said. "I tell myself 'Pep, calm down'. You are here to work as well as possible, and my best talent is work, work, work. I am here to help the club, and if the club do not want me, a handshake and no problem for me.”

The quotes were made in English, and mostly missed by the local German reports, while Catalan paper Mundo Deportivo picked them up but did point out that Guardiola was talking "without bitterness or tension."

Chances are Guardiola isn't going anywhere. While he has changed Bayern's style of play to a certain degree upon his arrival, it would be hard to argue that the team is suddenly unwatchable or, more importantly, ineffective. While they aren't likely to reach the 98 goals they scored a season ago, notching 82 goals in 30 league games thus far hardly seems dull.

Raphael Honigstein of The Guardian talked about the club's recent struggles under Guardiola:

Despite his public show of contrition, it is hard to tell how concerned the coach really is. The 43-year-old obviously felt that his team needed a breather, and he has revealed himself a much more cold-hearted, pragmatic coach than the "Saint Pep" cliche suggested: he's interested in winning titles, first and foremost. So are his employers. The Dortmund game will be quickly forgotten if Bayern reach the finals of the DFB Cup and the Champions League over the next two weeks. In the wider scheme of things it might even be useful. It proved to all of Germany and the rest of football that a few missing percentage points are enough to level the playing field, even if your team is much better. Their run of unbeaten games had blinded many to that principle.

And you could also make a pretty strong argument that putting less of an emphasis on league play with the title already clinched makes sense. Beating rival Borussia Dortmund in the DFB Pokal and focusing on the Champions League should be the top priorities at this point in the season, especially for a team that has played a lot of football over the past two seasons.

Alex Livesey/Getty Images
But should Guardiola decide to move on, there would be no shortage of suitors gunning for his services. Surely, Barcelona would take them back amidst a disappointing season that will likely leave them without any major trophies. And you have to think Manchester United would at least inquire, as they try to get themselves back to Champions League football next season.

In other words, Guardiola has the leverage to say to Bayern Munich, "You may not like my style, but I won't change for you." Both the manager and the club probably are hoping it doesn't come down to that sort of showdown.

But if it does, Guardiola wouldn't shock anyone by simply walking away. After the dominance Bayern Munich have displayed this season, it would be a divorce the club would regret.
 
CitizenTID said:
Pep Guardiola Prepared to Quit Bayern Munich Amid Mounting Criticism
By Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist Apr 17, 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ain.com&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=uk-sports

It's hard to imagine any discontent at Bayern Munich this season. After all, the team won the Bundesliga with seven games to spare—the fastest the title has ever been clinched—has reached the DFB Pokal final and faces Real Madrid in the Champions League semifinals.

The German giants are in line for a treble, led by first-year manager Pep Guardiola, who is surely a hero amongst the supporters and club. Or is he?

Last month, the club's honorary president, Franz Beckenbauer, had to clarify comments that sounded as though he was insulting the style of play Guardiola brought to the club. And there has also been disappointment in the club's recent play in the league, having lost twice and drawn once in their last three Bundesliga matches.

Guardiola decided to address any criticisms levied at him on Wednesday, and made it known in no uncertain terms that he would be willing to move on if that was best for him and the club. From Dermot Corrigan of ESPN:

Asked about the latest criticism of his methods at a news conference on Wednesday, Guardiola told reporters that he found some of the negativity hard to take and was prepared to move on if the club wanted a change.

"I have to accept the criticism," Guardiola said. "I tell myself 'Pep, calm down'. You are here to work as well as possible, and my best talent is work, work, work. I am here to help the club, and if the club do not want me, a handshake and no problem for me.”

The quotes were made in English, and mostly missed by the local German reports, while Catalan paper Mundo Deportivo picked them up but did point out that Guardiola was talking "without bitterness or tension."

Chances are Guardiola isn't going anywhere. While he has changed Bayern's style of play to a certain degree upon his arrival, it would be hard to argue that the team is suddenly unwatchable or, more importantly, ineffective. While they aren't likely to reach the 98 goals they scored a season ago, notching 82 goals in 30 league games thus far hardly seems dull.

Raphael Honigstein of The Guardian talked about the club's recent struggles under Guardiola:

Despite his public show of contrition, it is hard to tell how concerned the coach really is. The 43-year-old obviously felt that his team needed a breather, and he has revealed himself a much more cold-hearted, pragmatic coach than the "Saint Pep" cliche suggested: he's interested in winning titles, first and foremost. So are his employers. The Dortmund game will be quickly forgotten if Bayern reach the finals of the DFB Cup and the Champions League over the next two weeks. In the wider scheme of things it might even be useful. It proved to all of Germany and the rest of football that a few missing percentage points are enough to level the playing field, even if your team is much better. Their run of unbeaten games had blinded many to that principle.

And you could also make a pretty strong argument that putting less of an emphasis on league play with the title already clinched makes sense. Beating rival Borussia Dortmund in the DFB Pokal and focusing on the Champions League should be the top priorities at this point in the season, especially for a team that has played a lot of football over the past two seasons.

Alex Livesey/Getty Images
But should Guardiola decide to move on, there would be no shortage of suitors gunning for his services. Surely, Barcelona would take them back amidst a disappointing season that will likely leave them without any major trophies. And you have to think Manchester United would at least inquire, as they try to get themselves back to Champions League football next season.

In other words, Guardiola has the leverage to say to Bayern Munich, "You may not like my style, but I won't change for you." Both the manager and the club probably are hoping it doesn't come down to that sort of showdown.

But if it does, Guardiola wouldn't shock anyone by simply walking away. After the dominance Bayern Munich have displayed this season, it would be a divorce the club would regret.
Guardiola has done enough to warrant doing things his way. I know he started as a Txiki prodigy, but has he now outgrown being told what to do by a DoF?
 
I read the article before - but I have seen the press conference which the article is about.

It is just total bullocks. There is no discontent with Bayern at all - maybe with the media who starts to talk about crisis if Bayern does not win 5:0 in every match...
 
Maldeika said:
I read the article before - but I have seen the press conference which the article is about.

It is just total bullocks. There is no discontent with Bayern at all - maybe with the media who starts to talk about crisis if Bayern does not win 5:0 in every match...
I thought he might of got the sack by only beating the rags 4-2 on aggregate.
 
de niro said:
malg said:
ElanJo said:
His Barca was the greatest team in history.

The football was artistry and it was unplayable.
They weren't the greatest team in history. They were the best team of the televised era.

agreed. the 90's Milan side would have done them.

I think the ajax team early 90s were pretty special also and were also fantastic to watch. But neither they nor Milan had a Messi
 
franksinatra said:
de niro said:
malg said:
They weren't the greatest team in history. They were the best team of the televised era.

agreed. the 90's Milan side would have done them.

I think the ajax team early 90s were pretty special also and were also fantastic to watch. But neither they nor Milan had a Messi

They had Van Basten and Gullitt. Both in Messi's class. Maldini and Baresi were 2 of the best defenders ever, in my opinion. They were way better than the very good Barca side mentioned.
 
Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
They landed lucky with a bunch of kids coming through their academy and particularly Messi. Without Messi would they have won so much ?
Let's be honest, it would have been difficult to f*ck up with a team like that.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some credit but I don't think you can say he was responsible for the emergence of the Barca side.
If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.
He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.
Ever hear of a guy called Don Revie mate?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
They landed lucky with a bunch of kids coming through their academy and particularly Messi. Without Messi would they have won so much ?
Let's be honest, it would have been difficult to f*ck up with a team like that.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some credit but I don't think you can say he was responsible for the emergence of the Barca side.
If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.
He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.
Ever hear of a guy called Don Revie mate?

Or more recently, Luicano Spalletti:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/05/teams-of-the-decade-5-roma-2007/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/05/ ... roma-2007/</a>
 
de niro said:
malg said:
ElanJo said:
His Barca was the greatest team in history.

The football was artistry and it was unplayable.
They weren't the greatest team in history. They were the best team of the televised era.

agreed. the 90's Milan side would have done them.
I don't think they would. They would be able to get the ball off them.

There is no team that have ever been at the level of 2009-2011 Barcelona.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
de niro said:
malg said:
They weren't the greatest team in history. They were the best team of the televised era.

agreed. the 90's Milan side would have done them.
I don't think they would. They would be able to get the ball off them.

There is no team that have ever been at the level of 2009-2011 Barcelona.

In your opinion.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Bluewonder said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
They landed lucky with a bunch of kids coming through their academy and particularly Messi. Without Messi would they have won so much ?
Let's be honest, it would have been difficult to f*ck up with a team like that.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some credit but I don't think you can say he was responsible for the emergence of the Barca side.
If you understood football you'd realise that he's the greatest tactical innovator of modern times.
He made an entire new position (false 9) to get the best out of Messi. Without him, Messi may have become another Ronaldo or Romario, and not the best of all time.
Ever hear of a guy called Don Revie mate?

Haha. It's amazing how much of the history of football revolves around the modern era. Pep created the false 9 position, deary me.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
KippaxCitizen said:
de niro said:
agreed. the 90's Milan side would have done them.
I don't think they would. They would be able to get the ball off them.

There is no team that have ever been at the level of 2009-2011 Barcelona.

In your opinion.
And many others.
 
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