Pep: 'The players deserve a full stadium, we need our fans!'

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

If the media, ex players etc stopped going on about the booing this would have died a death

But every time someone pipes up stop booing we all feel who the fuck are you to tell me what to do

 

[Saddleworth2]

One of the main reasons he's come, is to try & win the Champions League. Not the only one, but it's up there.

He is advising us on how best to achieve it.

Imo, he's right.

He is only interested in what is best for the team and will do anything he can to improve them inch by inch. If that means trying to get us fans to behave differently he will do that too. Making us better is his only motivation. We should listen to him and take seriously his request. Like Nev, I would like him to stick around longer than three years.

 

[mcfc1632]

:-O Moi?

That was quite funny - my post was all about agreeing with your previous post - last line though could be read the opposite - LOL

 

[Tugay One Cup]

But what happens to the dreams of the next Manchester City? Is this a case of I'm in the lifeboat, so I'm alright Jack?

We may have 'made it', but UEFA/G14 are trying to ensure that no-one else in the future does which is just blatantly wrong. Ultimately football is the people's game and not theirs. They are merely the governing body who are supposed to protect and administrate the game we love, but through corruption, greed and self serving interests, they have lost sight of this.

If only we realised how much power we collectively wielded, we could end this bullshit tomorrow......

I very much admire and respect your passion for defending what you see as right and attacking what you see as wrong. As someone who has been arrested whilst protesting their political beliefs - and would be more than willing to go to those and further lengths again - I fully appreciate the commitment you're talking about.

My post which you replied to was a direct response to other comments about the situation of our club and our manager. Pep mentions in his first interview with Noel about this transformation and big club mentality. Like I said, that might not be what we want and it might not be for the best but it is a big part of why he's here. It's part of his job and, in my eyes at least, he has said absolutely nothing out of order and it's disappointing to see that a some are quick to flippantly label his defenders in this case to be perceiving him as some sort of messiah.

As I said yesterday, boo the anthem or don't, I completely respect both views towards that. However, Guardiola has just described his ideal scenario and his words don't deserve the overly defensive reaction from a section of users on this site.

 

[Shaelumstash]

And that's why they are unlikely to officially request it. If they do, a percentage of people will ignore them & that is absolute porn for UEFA.

Guardiola has asked for it to stop.

Fans supporting the team & drowining out the anthem by shouting City over it would be a far noisier, (& really far far noisier) effect than 20% or less booing, which is likely how it's going to end up by the end of this season, at best. It shows respect & support for the manager & it would make for a fantastic atmosphere at kick off.

Booing it is impotent. It hasn't worked & it isn't even a proper protest. If people really want to protest why don't they do it properly like other clubs have ?

It's a half arsed token gesture which Pep thinks is not helping in what he is trying to achieve. I see no reason why it's not possible to support the team & if people want to have a go at UEFA, do that properly whilst also going balls out to win the competition.

Or just boycott it if people feel that strongly.

As I'm sure you're fully aware, it's possible to protest against UEFA and get behind the team on the same night.

30 seconds of booing and 90 minutes of positive chanting about the club seems like a good balance to me.

When you say it's "not working" you're completely misguided. Nobody thinks booing is going to overnight force UEFA to reform. People are booing to voice their dissatisfaction at a corrupt organisation. UEFA are fully aware of that, it's been included in their reports.

The press are fully aware of it, that's why there was numerous articles this week that highlighted City's gripe with UEFA.

So it is drawing attention to the issues, so it absolutely is working.

Perhaps you just have a different definition of what "working" is. If you thought people were booing to force UEFA in to immediate governence change and reform, then you are probably naive to the reasons people boo.

People boo to voice their dissatisfaction. If the press widely report on the reasons for that dissatisfaction and UEFA are aware of them, well then at least the issues are being talked about. That's a huge positive in my view and makes the booing worthwhile. At least it makes UEFAs corruption a topic of conversation and part of the media agenda.

Singing "City, City" over the anthem would draw zero attention to the subject and would have zero impact on player's motivation. Singing it just after the anthem, great, I'm all for it. But during the anthem? Now that would be "impotent".

 

[aguero93:20]

It would merit a brief comment at the start, at best. Everyone knows we boo the anthem. Nobody cares. If UEFA are arsed, all they have to do, is turn down the crowd mics a bit & the music up. They could even use their own crowd noise. It's a piece of piss. Problem solved. They allow the booing to be heard, because they don't give a flying shit. Nobody does.

Only our club, who want us to stop.

They couldn't actually, BT etc will be in charge of the crowd mics and as they showed last year against PSG and Real at home, they like the controversy it generates. You think the media will turn their noses up at a free headline on the instructions of a body the vast majority of their audience have nothing but contempt for one way or the other?

 

[adrianr]

I'm sure the only reason this thread is so big is because we've had fuck all else to complain about - some of you must have been close to bursting!

 

[Shaelumstash]

What are the huge positives you speak of? personslly I don't care about whether other fans understand why the booing. They don't listen when the excuses for empty seats is peddled to justify why not full house. They don't give a shit.
We are on the cusp of becoming a top 4 European side in my mind aiming to win the biggest club prize. To do this we need to listen to pep, not least so he feels part of the club and stays to develop us. We want him to love the club as much as us, build s legacy. As it stands may well be saying to himself what a bunch of miserable fuckers, I'm off after 3.

Mate, if you want something to change it takes time. Often you need the press on side to alter people's view on a grand scale.

The only journalist I have seen report on UEFA corruption is Martin Samuel. He's a lone voice. After the booing this week, most of the national papers reported on it and listed our grievances. I fail to see how that's not a positive.

Yes other fans still take the piss about attendances, that's par for the course. But the more people who read about UEFA corruption, the better for me. It's planting seeds.

Blatter was eventually brought down by the FBI. Corruption at FIFA was first reported on by two journalists at the Sunday Times. At first no one took and notice, but within a couple of years FIFA became a by-word for corruption and the whole lot came tumbling down.

You have to start somewhere. If reports in the press about UEFA this week spark one more journalist to investigate, one more lawyer to take note, one detective's ears to prick up, that's a good thing for me.

It won't happen overnight, but the more we boo, the more UEFA's corruption gets reported on. The more UEFA's corruption is reported on, the more chance there is for real reform and change in that organisation.

 

[Neville Kneville]

As I'm sure you're fully aware, it's possible to protest against UEFA and get behind the team on the same night.

30 seconds of booing and 90 minutes of positive chanting about the club seems like a good balance to me.

When you say it's "not working" you're completely misguided. Nobody thinks booing is going to overnight force UEFA to reform. People are booing to voice their dissatisfaction at a corrupt organisation. UEFA are fully aware of that, it's been included in their reports.

The press are fully aware of it, that's why there was numerous articles this week that highlighted City's gripe with UEFA.

So it is drawing attention to the issues, so it absolutely is working.

Perhaps you just have a different definition of what "working" is. If you thought people were booing to force UEFA in to immediate governence change and reform, then you are probably naive to the reasons people boo.

People boo to voice their dissatisfaction. If the press widely report on the reasons for that dissatisfaction and UEFA are aware of them, well then at least the issues are being talked about. That's a huge positive in my view and makes the booing worthwhile. At least it makes UEFAs corruption a topic of conversation and part of the media agenda.

Singing "City, City" over the anthem would draw zero attention to the subject and would have zero impact on player's motivation. Singing it just after the anthem, great, I'm all for it. But during the anthem? Now that would be "impotent".

As you say, they all know why we boo the anthem, so it makes no difference that we supprort the team other than it's what the manager wants.

It has been completely impotent as, rather than improve, UEFA is attempting to get worse. The only possible improvement, is if the new man at the top who has been put there by the smaller countries, to fight against Gill, Berlusconi etc, does so.

That's nowt to do with us, it's to do with the coefficients etc plus money.

How anyone can say that us booing the anthem has achieved anything in football, is beyond me. Nobody gives a flying fuck apart from Martin Samuel etc & people such as him were on it before we even got there, still they have achieved nothing either. So not only has the booing done fuck all, but the few people who actually listen to it, have done fuck all, having heard it.

The only bloke to make a difference, is that geezer who brought down Blatter & inadvertantly snared Platini. Otherwise, it would be worse still.

If people want to protest, why don't they out Gill & Berlusconi etc & sing about them ?

Because the truth is, they don't care enough to be arsed. A quick boo, is easy. Other stuff requires effort.

Imo, the half arsed protest is worth nothing, & Pep is worth backing, so I'm backing him.

If somebody comes up with some songs/chants about Gill etc we can slip in during supporting the team, I'll join in.

 

[prof-taf]

Mate, if you want something to change it takes time. Often you need the press on side to alter people's view on a grand scale.

The only journalist I have seen report on UEFA corruption is Martin Samuel. He's a lone voice. After the booing this week, most of the national papers reported on it and listed our grievances. I fail to see how that's not a positive.

Yes other fans still take the piss about attendances, that's par for the course. But the more people who read about UEFA corruption, the better for me. It's planting seeds.

Blatter was eventually brought down by the FBI. Corruption at FIFA was first reported on by two journalists at the Sunday Times. At first no one took and notice, but within a couple of years FIFA became a by-word for corruption and the whole lot came tumbling down.

You have to start somewhere. If reports in the press about UEFA this week spark one more journalist to investigate, one more lawyer to take note, one detective's ears to prick up, that's a good thing for me.

It won't happen overnight, but the more we boo, the more UEFA's corruption gets reported on. The more UEFA's corruption is reported on, the more chance there is for real reform and change in that organisation.

Fair enough, I don't entirely share your views. I do feel this ongoing issue we have with UEFA does distract the club and us fans from our collective aims.