Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

samarasra said:
Pochettino seems to be a popular choice but I cannot understand why. He has won 4 PL Manager of the Month awards between 2013 and 2017 and absolutely nothing else. It would be a bigger risk for us than it was when Barcelona appointed Pep after a year with their B team, but at least he was familiar with the players. I realise surviving so long with the Spurs chairman was a notable achievement but apart from a smiling face and reasonable English language skills and plenty to say for the media why would we go from a serial winner to a serial non winner. He may be available, but at what cost is he free.
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He has had 3 jobs and done extremely well in all 3.

Southampton he produced a very solid side, he went to Spurs and built a young exciting team who were a very good to watch.

Won nothing as yet, but that applies to a hell a lot of very good managers, a vast majority of titles are won by "elite" clubs, I think once Poch turns up at one of thoses clubs he will be a winner.
 
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ami said:
I want Pep to extend because I still believe he is one of the best tacticians out there.

That being said, he bothers me with statements like ”I don’t teach tackles” and ”I can’t teach forwards how to finish because that’s their job”.

Clearly Sterling hasn’t really improved his shooting or finishing all that much since Pep came in. He sure shows up in all the right places for tap-ins and such, but his finishing is STILL hideous. I can’t think of another forward who waste more chances than him. Rashford has a clean strike but Sterling can’t shoot like him even in his wildest dreams. His strike is terrible and not very clean and his decisionmaking is still haunting him, year after year.

As for some expensive signings like Rodri and Cancelo, I’d expect a lot more for them given their price and Peps teaching. It’s like he continues to buy all the wrong players for his own system. These guys are hugely expensive defenders, yet both of them fail a lot in that area. That’s on Pep.

I love how we play on a good day but sometimes I have serious doubts about Pep. I believe he gives some of his players a bit too much freedom and not enough hands-on teaching. Some players just keep making the same mistakes. On the other side, I see Klopp holding his players on a short leash and constantly improving them and erasing mistakes going forward. I don’t really see that in Peps coaching.
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Klopp's team have dropped 5 points in 6 games, scored as many goals as West Brom, conceded 14, joint worst with Fulham and West Brom. It is early days but how is that improving on where they were after 6 games last season. How long have you been following Sterling's career. City's leading goal scorer in PL, 20 goals in 19/20, truly hideous ? , only 3 less than top scorer Vardy, City's leading PL scorer in 20/21 so far 2/5. He has to fit in to Sergio & Gabriel's positions when they are missing, his work off the ball is vastly better than before he came to City. I agree he does miss some sitters and one on ones but he never stops trying to get in those positions and has a great work rate, and all players go through a period when things don't go as well as they would wish. From a coaching point of view your reference to his comments on "tackles" and "forwards" should not bother you, this is a man who coached Barcelona to 3 consecutive La Liga titles, Bayern to 3 consecutive league titles and City to 2 consecutive in between various other trophies. He coached Pique, Puyol, Dani Alves, Messi, Eto'o, Henry, Iniesta, Thiago , Alaba, Lewandowski. The comments you quoted were used by the gutter press as a stick to beat him with, from before he shut them up with a level of success that our club has never seen. Is Rodri a hugely expensive defender, no he was bought as a midfielder. Have a look at Sterling's "terrible " strikes v Leeds or Burnley this season or any of last season's terrible 31 goals.
 
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Keeper! said:
He has had 3 jobs and done extremely well in all 3.

Southampton he produced a very solid side, he went to Spurs and built a young exciting team who were a very good to watch.

Won nothing as yet, but that applies to a hell a lot of very good managers, a vast majority of titles are won by "elite" clubs, I think once Poch turns up at one of thoses clubs he will be a winner.
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I cannot dispute any of that but a solid Southampton and a Spurs team that looked good only to crumble under pressure are some distance from a PL winning team. Arguably, Spurs are an "elite" club, at least traditionally, when compared to Leicester City and Blackburn Rovers and they have a rich owner, but with, as you say a very good team, they only briefly looked like Champions. Aside from that I find it hard to believe City would have invested so much in bringing in the newer players they have in the past 18 months, particularly the teenagers we haven't heard so much of yet, if they expected Pep to leave and have to start all over again. I am very mindful of Khaldoon's often stated words about planning for the medium term and the long term and not just on a reactive basis. Circumstances can change very quickly but I would hope that Pep would put together a well balanced title winning squad by summer 2022 (preferably earlier) but I suspect the desire for instant success may not allow for that time frame. On the bright side of the doom and gloom we are only 5 points off the leaders with 33 games to go, or 34 or 35 points short of avoiding the drop, which was our immediate concern not too long ago.
 
samarasra said:
I cannot dispute any of that but a solid Southampton and a Spurs team that looked good only to crumble under pressure are some distance from a PL winning team. Arguably, Spurs are an "elite" club, at least traditionally, when compared to Leicester City and Blackburn Rovers and they have a rich owner, but with, as you say a very good team, they only briefly looked like Champions. Aside from that I find it hard to believe City would have invested so much in bringing in the newer players they have in the past 18 months, particularly the teenagers we haven't heard so much of yet, if they expected Pep to leave and have to start all over again. I am very mindful of Khaldoon's often stated words about planning for the medium term and the long term and not just on a reactive basis. Circumstances can change very quickly but I would hope that Pep would put together a well balanced title winning squad by summer 2022 (preferably earlier) but I suspect the desire for instant success may not allow for that time frame. On the bright side of the doom and gloom we are only 5 points off the leaders with 33 games to go, or 34 or 35 points short of avoiding the drop, which was our immediate concern not too long ago.
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Spurs have never been an elite club, never.

Something of a yoyo club and at best a decent cup side as we found out to our great expense! Especially 1981, that is still painful.

Lets not forget that Pep was appointed manager of Barca after only running the B team
 
samarasra said:
You need to read Zenmanc's post again, nowhere does it say people shouldn't criticise Pep or the players, nowhere was it said keep negative feelings to themselves.
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I take it you're his mate as you're fighting his battles so to speak ....I think you need to read it again he is saying that when anybody criticises pep or the club it pisses him off big time and makes him mad, maybe he loses sleep over it, well what is he doing on a forum then if he is too much of a snowflake to accept that people are entitled to get pissed off and voice their opinions (which are not my opinions btw)
Or is he the forum police ?
Name calling and generally insulting anyone who has the audacity to critique Pep or the players.
 
Wasn't viera groomed to be our manager one day. That plan didn't work too good i think. Vincent kompany may be if guardiola leaves???
Why not one of our own.
 
Keeper! said:
Lets not forget that Pep was appointed manager of Barca after only running the B team
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Pep was backed by Johan cruyff himself. The only reason why he was picked as coach in Barca. Cruyff and his ways are a big deal in Barca.
 
I often mention var, injuries, some players having covid, lack of a preseason, condensed schedule etc, needing taken into account into all this. They are not excuses, they are just the context we seem to willfully ignore.

Well another one to that is lack of supporters. Against west ham, with a home crowd getting nervous as we surround their box the final 10 minutes or so, that nervousness translates to their players, they feel under pressure more, and they probably arent as comfortable defending that resolutely at the end. We probably find a way to win that game in stoppage time, like we did so many times in our title seasons (they weren't all convincing wins, remember, they all count and the narrow ones are important). Similarly, does a referee really give 3 pens against a home team in front of a home crowd?

All these small things add up, margins that can decide things, and add up points and confidence, that when a meaningful run on top form comes, it matters.

If VaR had done its job, west ham wouldn't have had a one goal lead to defend half the game, or a 1 goal draw to defend the rest.
 
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