oddfellows
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Is the system that brought us so much success after year 1 and delivered 8 domestic trophies in the years that followed now past its sell by date ?
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Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)
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Yes the system has run its race with the squad we have but fast intensity , high pressing , quick movement , getting many in the box is still ok if you have the players who are capable of implementing it.
he is tinkering because he knows the current squad is a mere shadow of that we had two years ago , it changes quickly and the old brigade are too old to be a part of the new team that will represent us in years to come.
Not many of the current squad will be part of our next title winning team if any.
he is tinkering because he knows the current squad is a mere shadow of that we had two years ago , it changes quickly and the old brigade are too old to be a part of the new team that will represent us in years to come.
Not many of the current squad will be part of our next title winning team if any.
Ffs. I won’t even bother making a long answer on this and mention all the great young players we have. You’re wrongNot many of the current squad will be part of our next title winning team if any.
Uwe Already
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Has anyone called him a stoned corpse **** yet?
If not, he’s all set.
jesus bit harsh, having actually seen one - I spent several years as a necrophiliac, until some rotten **** split on me...
boom tish ;)
MeatHunterrr
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Its Txiki Begiristian who needs to be fucked off. He has absolutely insane obsession spending absolutely shitloads of cash on back up players. Use that cash to build much better first XI, if you back ups are not as good then so be it.
oddfellows
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The stats say we are struggling.
We have scored 50% less than the previous 2 seasons.
I know you only get 3 pts for a win eg 1-0 same return as 5-0 but the statement is massive.
The machine is broken and Pep needs to fix it, 20m a year is the ante Pep, earn it.
We have scored 50% less than the previous 2 seasons.
I know you only get 3 pts for a win eg 1-0 same return as 5-0 but the statement is massive.
The machine is broken and Pep needs to fix it, 20m a year is the ante Pep, earn it.
The reality is that we haven't bought well for several seasons now and Pep finds himself with a group of players who are incapable of playing his brand of football. The irony of it is that this is now Pep's hand-picked squad rather than the centurion squad that had its genesis in the Mancini era.
BlueMoonRisin’
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Compounded? Jeez!There’s no proof of that
The issue for me, and it’s the same for all the clubs playing in Europe, is the time the coach has on the training pitch with his players Playing twice a week, more in this month, allows no time to spend on tactics, we know that Pep’s system takes a lot of leaning so it’s compounded. He’s also had to bed new players and cope with the loss of David Silva and the ageing Kun and Ferdy
That much learning that no one knows what system Pep wants. Our players look confused half of the time. I don't even think Pep knows what to do when his tic tacs aren't going to plan.
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Grr... I tried to post this in the "has Pep run this race" thread but it's gone, so its going here :)
I'm all up for giving Pep a bollocking when the guy makes mistakes, like he did yesterday. However, if we think he's "run his race", just wait and see which teams come in for him if we give him the boot. I'll give you a clue, it's not going to be Crewe, Norwich and Bradford. It will be the best clubs in Europe - we're talking PSG, AC, Juventus, Barcelona and of course he will be offered unimaginable money to go to China and will be offered every national job going.
Yesterday was absolutely rank, no question, and I said as much. But overall when we look over the months and years, he's getting more right than wrong. The trophy haul backs that up! Not only that, when he gets it right, it's not just good it's the best football EVER PLAYED in England and he's broken records I didn't know existed and will probably never be broken for a generation. Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho did not match the Fourmidables or Centurions and I regard these managers as amongst the greatest ever in the PL. This season is a strange one and you can clearly see that our players - and other teams players - are off the pace. We're only 5 points off the top and a 6 points from a relegation scrap (well... Arsenal!). No team is going to run away with the league this year. We've been spoilt thinking we should be hitting 50 points at Christmas.
I do think the club cocked up giving him a small extension. It should have been 5 years - a bold statement to tell the fans, other clubs, our current players and future players what the plan is.
In all honesty, I do think that what you are seeing is Pep gearing the team for the CL. I don't like bringing him up, but a certain purple-nosed manager struggled for 25 years to balance winning the PL and winning the CL. Pep's had 5 years or so now and is trying to find a way to make us hard to beat which we need to be in Europe and if we don't concede goals in the PL, we will the title. Granted, it's not great to watch but come on the guys got some credit with us hasn't he? He has managed the best teams in Europe, he knows how good they are and he knows what needs to be done but he is struggling this year as most managers are. This is by far the hardest season of the hardest league in the world and whether you're Pep, Fergie, Klopp, Mourinho etc you are constantly being challenged in this league.
I don't doubt for one minute that, in private, there's some bloody heated conversations going on. I can imagine that Pep and the DoFs, the scouts and the Shiekh are all demanding to win every trophy going. Do you think Pep wants to pick between Mendy, Cancelo or Zinchenko? He doesn't. He wants to create the finest club team that has ever existed. He wants people to talk about his Barca, Bayern and City teams in the same breath as Brazil 70.
I'm all up for giving a kicking to guys who deserve it and Pep has deserved it this year. However, I'm prepared to give him a fallow season if it means we come back stronger than ever. This season IS a turkey season, there won't be crowds or parades. Of course feel free to criticise him, but give him some credit at least. If he's shockingly short at the end of the season, I might change my mind but until then...
... he hasn't run his race :)
I'm all up for giving Pep a bollocking when the guy makes mistakes, like he did yesterday. However, if we think he's "run his race", just wait and see which teams come in for him if we give him the boot. I'll give you a clue, it's not going to be Crewe, Norwich and Bradford. It will be the best clubs in Europe - we're talking PSG, AC, Juventus, Barcelona and of course he will be offered unimaginable money to go to China and will be offered every national job going.
Yesterday was absolutely rank, no question, and I said as much. But overall when we look over the months and years, he's getting more right than wrong. The trophy haul backs that up! Not only that, when he gets it right, it's not just good it's the best football EVER PLAYED in England and he's broken records I didn't know existed and will probably never be broken for a generation. Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho did not match the Fourmidables or Centurions and I regard these managers as amongst the greatest ever in the PL. This season is a strange one and you can clearly see that our players - and other teams players - are off the pace. We're only 5 points off the top and a 6 points from a relegation scrap (well... Arsenal!). No team is going to run away with the league this year. We've been spoilt thinking we should be hitting 50 points at Christmas.
I do think the club cocked up giving him a small extension. It should have been 5 years - a bold statement to tell the fans, other clubs, our current players and future players what the plan is.
In all honesty, I do think that what you are seeing is Pep gearing the team for the CL. I don't like bringing him up, but a certain purple-nosed manager struggled for 25 years to balance winning the PL and winning the CL. Pep's had 5 years or so now and is trying to find a way to make us hard to beat which we need to be in Europe and if we don't concede goals in the PL, we will the title. Granted, it's not great to watch but come on the guys got some credit with us hasn't he? He has managed the best teams in Europe, he knows how good they are and he knows what needs to be done but he is struggling this year as most managers are. This is by far the hardest season of the hardest league in the world and whether you're Pep, Fergie, Klopp, Mourinho etc you are constantly being challenged in this league.
I don't doubt for one minute that, in private, there's some bloody heated conversations going on. I can imagine that Pep and the DoFs, the scouts and the Shiekh are all demanding to win every trophy going. Do you think Pep wants to pick between Mendy, Cancelo or Zinchenko? He doesn't. He wants to create the finest club team that has ever existed. He wants people to talk about his Barca, Bayern and City teams in the same breath as Brazil 70.
I'm all up for giving a kicking to guys who deserve it and Pep has deserved it this year. However, I'm prepared to give him a fallow season if it means we come back stronger than ever. This season IS a turkey season, there won't be crowds or parades. Of course feel free to criticise him, but give him some credit at least. If he's shockingly short at the end of the season, I might change my mind but until then...
... he hasn't run his race :)
Bill Walker
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I mentioned in another thread, I don't think it's the players I think it's the system that we play, other managers have worked out ways to nullify the way we play, West Brom was a prime example, I think it's as simple as that, and Pep doesn't have a plan b.The reality is that we haven't bought well for several seasons now and Pep finds himself with a group of players who are incapable of playing his brand of football. The irony of it is that this is now Pep's hand-picked squad rather than the centurion squad that had its genesis in the Mancini era.