Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

Jag said:
What is? That the players are beginning to doubt the manager? I think my comments have been vindicated with the Zinchenko comments. Many other players feel the same way. I want Pep to succeed but there have been some bad signs.
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Your post implies you have insider knowledge of the players

Without exposing your source:~

exactly how many players feel the same way?

who are they?

are they regular first team players?

what are these specific bad signs?

hasn't Pep done more in the last two seasons than most managers achieve in their careers, yet you don't think he has succeeded?

Your reply will enable us to determine how credible you and your assertions are, and I look fwd to seeing it.

Regarding the use of social media to determine fan opinions, you do know how naive that is as not every user is a fan of the team they comment on, or do you actually know for sure they are?

Just as an aside, do you not think that after two very hard fought and draining seasons, expecting the same standards for a third consecutive season was a step too much, even for our great squad?

I trust my post is not offensive and you can reply in full
 
Jag said:
Would love a genuine response from you without hurling insults. People can have different views while remaining civil. Grow up.
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They absolutely can. In the most civil and polite way possible, your views are mental and total horseshit.

But not as insane as the fabricated selective arguements you come up to try justify them.

You've had plenty responses telling you pep has won 8 trophies, not just 2 as you claimed, how few have managed to won CL, players improved, football played, records set.

Yet you still claim he is a failure? get a grip.

Edit. just seen the zinchenko comment you refer to, all he said was that pep didn't want to talk about the defeat. FFS, if you are claiming that as losing the dressing room thats right up there with your claim he has only won 2 trophies in 5 years (1 of which hasn't yet happened).
 
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This revisionist nonsense that now looks to rewrite and establish the narrative that pep himself lost us the CL four times in a row needs bloody stopped and challenged.

Liverpool, we hot absolutely fucked over by the referee.
Spurs we got fucked over by VAR. That isn't City bias, that really happened, i know fans of both that don't deny it.
Monaco, one of those crazy games where a plucky underdog (who also won the french league that year) was having an epic season and momentum, and our players had brain fart moments.
And lyon, fair enough poor formation and set-up and puzzling lack of substitutions is on pep, but even then, big decision went against us and pep didn't miss a sitter (or pen against spurs either) or concede the 3rd.

And in all four, enough was done to win them, the tiniest of margins decided them, and the players fought till the end in every one. Heck pep's reactions on the touchline (ripping at grass in despair at lyon, holding his head vs spurs etc et) shows how much he cares about it.

I genuinely doubt our owners are daft enough simpletons to see our champions league 'failure' in those selective daily mail headline for the lowest common denominator terms. Other fans and pundits can chose to latch onto that, but we bloody shouldn't.
 
cleavers said:
As a matter of interest, when did you find Manchester City ?
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Jag said:
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This is such a pathetic retort that has become a huge problem with many on this forum. If someone has an opinion that runs counter to the norm your first instinct is to call into question their fandom. Do one.
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When the 'opinion' is so much shite then the retort you get will be well deserved. Is this an organised troll by you little raggy/dipper (delete as appropriate) boys?
 
I love Pep and want him to extend. No question about his ability and the football is art the way we play it

My only gripe is that the extension should be for more than one year. He's got a rebuilding job to do and he can't leave half way through it. If he's not up for more than one season then sadly it may be time to let him go.
 
Coatigan said:
This revisionist nonsense that now looks to rewrite and establish the narrative that pep himself lost us the CL four times in a row needs bloody stopped and challenged.

Liverpool, we hot absolutely fucked over by the referee.
Spurs we got fucked over by VAR. That isn't City bias, that really happened, i know fans of both that don't deny it.
Monaco, one of those crazy games where a plucky underdog (who also won the french league that year) was having an epic season and momentum, and our players had brain fart moments.
And lyon, fair enough poor formation and set-up and puzzling lack of substitutions is on pep, but even then, big decision went against us and pep didn't miss a sitter (or pen against spurs either) or concede the 3rd.

And in all four, enough was done to win them, the tiniest of margins decided them, and the players fought till the end in every one. Heck pep's reactions on the touchline (ripping at grass in despair at lyon, holding his head vs spurs etc et) shows how much he cares about it.

I genuinely doubt our owners are daft enough simpletons to see our champions league 'failure' in those selective daily mail headline for the lowest common denominator terms. Other fans and pundits can chose to latch onto that, but we bloody shouldn't.
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I agree with some of this. A whole host of critics seem to think that the only reason City appointed Pep was to win the Champions League when it's obvious that a coaches job is to raise the general football standing of the club.

I do think that you are being overly defensive though in respect of football criticism of Pep. He messed up in a very important moment but that does not mean that he is not a great coach. Clearly after the immediate aftermath of the Lyon fades you review his entire management of the first team and you can conclude that is hugely positive.

There's no contradiction between supporting Manchester City and being critical from time to time of the coach's decisions. We do that all the time in respect of the players, owners, and fans.

Human beings have faults and it is not a breach of loyalty to acknowledge that, indeed part of being a football fan is to act as the guardians of the football club rather than as blind cheer-leaders.
 
I think the disappointment that the whole club will share will act in our favour next season. This is when you can learn from mistakes and come back stronger. Raheem Sterling responded to setbacks in his career and expect the City coach and players to do the same collectively.
 
For me personally, the most realistic option is he completes his contract and leaves, while we start looking for a potential manager(s) right now. I don't see the point extending it for just one year.
 
Marvin said:
I agree with some of this. A whole host of critics seem to think that the only reason City appointed Pep was to win the Champions League when it's obvious that a coaches job is to raise the general football standing of the club.

I do think that you are being overly defensive though in respect of football criticism of Pep. He messed up in a very important moment but that does not mean that he is not a great coach. Clearly after the immediate aftermath of the Lyon fades you review his entire management of the first team and you can conclude that is hugely positive.

There's no contradiction between supporting Manchester City and being critical from time to time of the coach's decisions. We do that all the time in respect of the players, owners, and fans.

Human beings have faults and it is not a breach of loyalty to acknowledge that, indeed part of being a football fan is to act as the guardians of the football club rather than as blind cheer-leaders.
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Perhaps thats fair, but sorry, in what way am i being defensive of pep?

i am pointing out the achievements many seeem to want to be quick to forget, and challenging the distilling down of our champions league exits (in knockout stages no less) to just pep being useless.

I also don't buy the 'well with the money spent, we Shold be winning it, and Obviously we win trophies with the squad weve got' spoonfed mantra. Fuck that. that is liverpool fan talk, and their media mouthpieces to big up klopp's achievements and belittle ours. Klopp had 5 full years of absolutely zero scrutiny, spending what he wanted, record sums for players, before he even came close to winning a single trophy, heck qualifying for champions league places was praised as success because he was 'building a team' ffs, with the claimed draw of anfield and money they have could have built four teams in that time! Yet we sweep up domestically, achieving things never seem before, and our manager is a failure because well, you'd expect that success we bought, oh and we failed to win one cup trophy. Balls to that.
 
Coatigan said:
Perhaps thats fair, but sorry, in what way am i being defensive of pep?

i am pointing out the achievements many seeem to want to be quick to forget, and challenging the distilling down of our champions league exits (in knockout stages no less) to just pep being useless.

I also don't buy the 'well with the money spent, we Shold be winning it, and Obviously we win trophies with the squad weve got' spoonfed mantra. Fuck that. that is liverpool fan talk, and their media mouthpieces to big up klopp's achievements and belittle ours. Klopp had 5 full years of absolutely zero scrutiny, spending what he wanted, record sums for players, before he even came close to winning a single trophy, heck qualifying for champions league places was praised as success because he was 'building a team' ffs, with the claimed draw of anfield and money they have could have built four teams in that time! Yet we sweep up domestically, achieving things never seem before, and our manager is a failure because well, you'd expect that success we bought, oh and we failed to win one cup trophy. Balls to that.
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By not acknowledging that Pep's set up of City v Lyon back-fired.

You are just rejecting any and all criticism instinctively. The reality is that sometimes our opponents are good, and we are less than perfect.

Before the takeover, City has a history of incompetence and error and the supporters knew it, and yet still supported and criticised the club.
 
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