Pep's tactics

[MCFC_Guardiola]

Wonder which PL manager will be first to copy his inverted fullback tactic

Eddie Howe

 

[Shaelumstash]

I'm not convinced starting with one 'solid' mid plus DS & KDB is safe v the better teams but we have several players who can stiffen that up if Pep thinks the same. And if I was totally wrong & we win 6 zero it wouldn't surprise me. But imo putting in an extra solid cm won't lose us that much in attack with 3 attackers & a whole passing team around them.

It's his first season anyhow so he is unlikely to know for sure himself until he tries it either way.

I'm not so sure mate. He stuck to Xavi and Iniesta with one behind them for his entire career at Barca in all the big games, including two CL finals against a Fergurson - led Shite. He didn't feel the need for an extra solid cm in those games.

I completely understand that PL is more physical, but looking at the very early signs it seems clear that his MO at City is to to keep the ball no matter what. Starving the opposition of the ball is his favourite form of defence, as opposed to bringing in solid players who can tackle.

The first two games David Silva's performances have reminded me very much of Xavi during Guardiola's reign. He's used his intelligence to find space to get on the ball as much as possible and knit the team together. His technique and vision is so good that by the time someone comes to close him down he's already passed it and is on the move again to receive the next one.

De Bruyne has had a bit of a quieter start to the season, but the second half against Steaua he was outstanding. He was creating chance after chance and the more the game opened up, the more dangerous he looked. As the season goes on if these two are kept together in the roles they are playing now, perhaps we won't need an extra solid cm, because these two are going to dominate possession, run games and create so many chances that we won't need an extra man to win it back because we will dominate the ball so much.

 

[SWP's back]

How can anyone seriously say anything like that about Guardiola ?

It's fucking frightening the kind of imbiciles get airplay in the football world.

I was gobsmacked. It's normally a decent listen.

All they could say is Sagna is no Lamn

 

[117 M34]

Wonder which PL manager will be first to copy his inverted fullback tactic

Will be interesting to see what pep does if someone tries it against us

 

[Krieng_Thai OSC]

Will be interesting to see what pep does if someone tries it against us

I not worry other team copy and use against us. It is kind of suicidal using this formation without superior players. This system work well when superior team play with parking bus team. Pep develop it from his experience of facing underdog team as he always facing in his entire career. I even believe if Pep managed middle table team, he will not use it.

 

[Dax777]

It didn't mean it like that. Less gifted would be your Clichy/Sagna. Less creative would be Fernandinho. Not saying Fernandinho isn't creative. Just less creative than Silva/De Bruyne.

Someone like Alonso would come under more disaplined. I think Gundogan will be like a hybrid of Busquests and Alonso. Great passing range yet dynamic.

Alonso in some of the big games against powerful sides Alonso was a liability. Madrid a couple of times, Juve. Even us to an extent.

To stick with NFL I think Pep sees Gundogan as more of a Cam Newton than a older Brett Farve.

From what I've seen, I think Pep sees the Prem as a different animal to Spain or Germany. Using a combination of both Bayern and Barca to create a Prem hardy side.

At Barcelona, he used over lapping full backs and central creativity/play dictation. He often defended with just three. This would be murdered in the Prem.
At Bayern, he used inverted full backs. Two solid centre mids a floating Muller, a traditional striker and quick wingers offering wingers.

At City, it looks like he'll utilise the inverted full backs with one holding/QB type player centrally to offer stability. A creative two in front. Wide pace and directness and a striker.

If you lined up his previous two sides in our formation as it looks. . (No Messi as he's non comparable).

............GK..........
...Pique..Boateng...
Lahm.............Alaba
..........Vidal.........
...Xavi.....Inesta.....
Costa..............Robben
.....Lewondowski


...............GK........
.........Stones..VK.........
Fernandinho........Clichy
...........Gundogan.......
.......Silva.....De Bruyne
Sterling..................Sane
....... Sergio

YAll are going to confuse a lot of our brothers and sisters across the pond with all these NFL talk. :)

 

[jay_mcfc]

I'm not convinced starting with one 'solid' mid plus DS & KDB is safe v the better teams but we have several players who can stiffen that up if Pep thinks the same. And if I was totally wrong & we win 6 zero it wouldn't surprise me. But imo putting in an extra solid cm won't lose us that much in attack with 3 attackers & a whole passing team around them.

It's his first season anyhow so he is unlikely to know for sure himself until he tries it either way.

It's not so much about attack as it is possession. I think you'll see very few instances of us sticking in an extra defensive player to shore us up because it makes different parts of our game more difficult.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I was gobsmacked. It's normally a decent listen.

All they could say is Sagna is no Lamn

One thing I have noticed is that when the English press ask him questions at press conferences or in interviews they seem very sheepish around him. It's nice to know how stupid he makes them feel.

 

[bluemonkey71]

Loving every minute of this season.

Football lessons every week

 

[Neville Kneville]

I'm not so sure mate. He stuck to Xavi and Iniesta with one behind them for his entire career at Barca in all the big games, including two CL finals against a Fergurson - led Shite. He didn't feel the need for an extra solid cm in those games.

I completely understand that PL is more physical, but looking at the very early signs it seems clear that his MO at City is to to keep the ball no matter what. Starving the opposition of the ball is his favourite form of defence, as opposed to bringing in solid players who can tackle.

The first two games David Silva's performances have reminded me very much of Xavi during Guardiola's reign. He's used his intelligence to find space to get on the ball as much as possible and knit the team together. His technique and vision is so good that by the time someone comes to close him down he's already passed it and is on the move again to receive the next one.

De Bruyne has had a bit of a quieter start to the season, but the second half against Steaua he was outstanding. He was creating chance after chance and the more the game opened up, the more dangerous he looked. As the season goes on if these two are kept together in the roles they are playing now, perhaps we won't need an extra solid cm, because these two are going to dominate possession, run games and create so many chances that we won't need an extra man to win it back because we will dominate the ball so much.

Don't forget Messi though.

But yeah I get that & imo Silva has also worked much harder than in his previous City career. But then again, it's all relative, because he rarely has to run 60 yards, as opposed to 10 or 15.

But also, as you say, it is the Prem & also, everyone in europe has been working for some time on figuring out ways to turn over Pep, & sometimes they succeed spectacularly. Some of those kind of managers are here now.

I'm just yet to be convinced that the way we are set up now, in centre mid, is the right one vs the better teams. But I would actually prefer it, if it was, & would be totally happy to take the occasional hiding if we found it wasn't. Whilst we suss it I'm 100% convinced he will do what works in the end, whether that's Fern, KDB & Silva, or Kompany Fernando & Stones or Joe Hart in midfield.

He'll fix it.

My own feeling is we'll see Fern & Gundogan, but I'm guessing like fuck & so are our opponents ;)

 

[Neville Kneville]

It's not so much about attack as it is possession. I think you'll see very few instances of us sticking in an extra defensive player to shore us up because it makes different parts of our game more difficult.

I don't mean a 'defensive' mid though, I just mean someone who makes the team 'different' to KDB & Silva. Faster or tougher or whatever. It could be as an attacking threat as much as defending, but then add extra legs, when defending as well.

For example, Delph can't polish their boots as a footballer, but if he presses the fuck out of the oppo centre mid & centre defence, so, because of his actions, the ball ends up with KDB & Gundogan or Fernandinho, who feed it to Sane Sterling & Aguero, & it's 1-0, then did we miss Silva ?

In one game, maybe that extra yard & extra aggression, makes the difference & the oppo manager has planned for something else.

Whatever, I think we have a fantastic squad of players which have a huge number of possible formations & tactics, now we have a real manager, & that he will probably want to find more than one way to skin the cat.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

well Zaba and AK played a lot less central than Sagna & Clichy did, so I think Pep is already showing his versatility.

 

[shevtheblue]

With his versatility and ability on the ball, I could see fernandinho integrating amazingly at right back in this formation. His position would be taken by gundogan and I would then look at getting sane on the left, although nolito looks to be the one who understands the tactics better than anyone up top.

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[Shaelumstash]

I don't mean a 'defensive' mid though, I just mean someone who makes the team 'different' to KDB & Silva. Faster or tougher or whatever. It could be as an attacking threat as much as defending, but then add extra legs, when defending as well.

For example, Delph can't polish their boots as a footballer, but if he presses the fuck out of the oppo centre mid & centre defence, so, because of his actions, the ball ends up with KDB & Gundogan or Fernandinho, who feed it to Sane Sterling & Aguero, & it's 1-0, then did we miss Silva ?

In one game, maybe that extra yard & extra aggression, makes the difference & the oppo manager has planned for something else.

Whatever, I think we have a fantastic squad of players which have a huge number of possible formations & tactics, now we have a real manager, & that he will probably want to find more than one way to skin the cat.

I'll be absolutely stunned if Silva gets dropped for Delph in a big game.

I understand why you'd say it, but if anything, Guardiola goes the other way in big games. He tries to get more possession.

Look at when he was managing Bayern against Barca.

 

[Silva_Spell]

 

[super_city_si]

Watch silva in those sequences, he never stops moving and it's not just for the sake of it, he makes very intelligent runs.

 

[capiloton]

i love this new style. fast pace and direct passing.
they knew when to up or down the tempo.
no more isolated player in midfield area, with inverted fullback is in effect.
and Aguero get enough support from 4 players behind him.

what makes it interesting, unlike traditional fullback, in this inverted fullback system,
they are not necessarily need to be fast pace, which suit us better with old fullbacks.
but great passing, anticipation, tactical awareness, ability to read the game and good decision making, are essential.
now i know why Pep didn't have interest in speedy Bruno Peres.

with that attributes, i wish Pep will have a look at younger player for the future.
player like - Mario Fernandes, Alessandro Florenzi, Alex Telles, Jose Gaya and Stefano Sturaro
will be a great addition to the team. some of them can play comfortably in both midfield and defender.

 

[Krieng_Thai OSC]

Gundogan is creative midfield. He will play in Silva, KDB position, not Fernandinho position. Only Fernando can play in Fernandinho position. This position need ability to spray the ball effectively as well as ability to defend. In Sunderland match when Kolarov or Stones try to bring the ball up, Fernandinho run back and swap the position. If Gundogan can hold centre back position then he can play Fernandinho position.

 

[Josep]

How can anyone seriously say anything like that about Guardiola ?

It's fucking frightening the kind of imbiciles get airplay in the football world.

Im sure they think his 21 titles in 7 years is also a show-off.

They want him managing FC Nonceborough in the 3rd division & win CL with them to even accept him as a manager worthy of the coaching badges.

As Fans, we should just sit back, fasten the seat belt, enjoy Pep's magic unfold game after game (win or lose, the process he is attempting is by itself fascinating & so important for the long-term success of the club). And on the other hand, get our popcorns out while listening to all the jealous ignorant muppets as they spout crap, calling themselves pundits :)

 

[bobom]

I don't mean a 'defensive' mid though, I just mean someone who makes the team 'different' to KDB & Silva. Faster or tougher or whatever. It could be as an attacking threat as much as defending, but then add extra legs, when defending as well.

For example, Delph can't polish their boots as a footballer, but if he presses the fuck out of the oppo centre mid & centre defence, so, because of his actions, the ball ends up with KDB & Gundogan or Fernandinho, who feed it to Sane Sterling & Aguero, & it's 1-0, then did we miss Silva ?

In one game, maybe that extra yard & extra aggression, makes the difference & the oppo manager has planned for something else.

Whatever, I think we have a fantastic squad of players which have a huge number of possible formations & tactics, now we have a real manager, & that he will probably want to find more than one way to skin the cat.

IMO you need a fast, tough, ball winner putting in bone-crunching tackles in midfield if you are going to be caught out of position. If your midfielder are intelligent enough to understand where they need to be, and work hard enough to do it, they don't need to be tough mothers...