Philippe Sandler

dachoosen1 said:
Don't think there is too many we will make a loss on and it's definitely worth the risk as the potential profit is usually alot more then the initial costs.
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Do you work for the tabloid press!

How do you know he's "definitely" worth the risk?

We have a gazillion (OK an exaggeration) players scattered around Europe on loan and some we've let go of recently for no return

I honestly think that trading players as a commodity is immoral. I understand that footballers are transient and are likely to change clubs a number of times during their careers, but this trading policy is something I really don't care for
 
dickie davies said:
This doesn't always work though and we have players at the club that prove this
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We do indeed Dickie but as a whole we seem to have a lot more success in terms of signing players on the cheap and turning them into better players. Zinchenko being prime example of what can be done with a bit of magic dust from Pep.

You're probably old enough to remember us buying expensive shit and making it worse.
 
Mike D said:
We do indeed Dickie but as a whole we seem to have a lot more success in terms of signing players on the cheap and turning them into better players. Zinchenko being prime example of what can be done with a bit of magic dust from Pep.

You're probably old enough to remember us buying expensive shit and making it worse.
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I most certainly am
Zinchenko is the sort of player I was referring to in my last post. Bought with little chance of making it into our first team so he was loaned off to other clubs and received very little game time. His career had very much stagnated and we were trying like mad to sell him last summer but couldn't find a buyer
He fell lucky that both Delph and Mendy were injured at the same time and in the majority of his games was competent, but again, we're trying to sell him
If we'd sold him last summer on the back of his poor loan spells, as was the plan, would we have received much more than the reported £2M we paid?

If City want to monetise the young players, then they have to do what united (Ferguson) has done for years
Get youth on the bench, introduce them for 20/30 minute cameos in matches that are already won. Do this eight or ten times, then sell them to Hull, Middlesborough, Aston Villa for a couple of million
 
dickie davies said:
I most certainly am
Zinchenko is the sort of player I was referring to in my last post. Bought with little chance of making it into our first team so he was loaned off to other clubs and received very little game time. His career had very much stagnated and we were trying like mad to sell him last summer but couldn't find a buyer
He fell lucky that both Delph and Mendy were injured at the same time and in the majority of his games was competent, but again, we're trying to sell him
If we'd sold him last summer on the back of his poor loan spells, as was the plan, would we have received much more than the reported £2M we paid?

If City want to monetise the young players, then they have to do what united (Ferguson) has done for years
Get youth on the bench, introduce them for 20/30 minute cameos in matches that are already won. Do this eight or ten times, then sell them to Hull, Middlesborough, Aston Villa for a couple of million
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Very true you only had to get a few minutes off the bench back then and if you were English you'd be picked for the squad. Luke Chadwick and others are testament to that theory.
 
dickie davies said:
Do you work for the tabloid press!

How do you know he's "definitely" worth the risk?

We have a gazillion (OK an exaggeration) players scattered around Europe on loan and some we've let go of recently for no return

I honestly think that trading players as a commodity is immoral. I understand that footballers are transient and are likely to change clubs a number of times during their careers, but this trading policy is something I really don't care for
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I agree and would prefer to sign players that are capable of starting but at the end of the day we are a business and if signing three or four of these type signing allow us to make a marquee signing afew years down the line it's worth it. We are signing players with potential the problem is there is no guarantee that their potential will be realised. I have no doubt we would have got more then the 1.5mil we paid for zinchenko championship clubs are paying round 10mil mark for players now can't see us making a loss on any of the players we have out on loan.
 
I'd sooner we pay next to f**k all for lads like this (and Zinchenko) who try their hardest to make it here, than sign shite like Bony for shedloads of money, who completely fail, and then can't get a decent game at lesser sides on loan, while we pay their wages, so we almost give them away.

The current model is better than the old one in my opinion, and we might just unearth a gem doing it.
 
cleavers said:
I'd sooner we pay next to f**k all for lads like this (and Zinchenko) who try their hardest to make it here, than sign shite like Bony for shedloads of money, who completely fail, and then can't get a decent game at lesser sides on loan, while we pay their wages, so we almost give them away.

The current model is better than the old one in my opinion, and we might just unearth a gem doing it.
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Bony, Mangala and Fernando are our three most recent expensive mistakes, but I honestly believe we've learnt our lesson when buying for big money

What's this current model you're referring to?
Start of last season we 'd just brought in Walker for £55M, Mendy for £50M, Bernardo for £45M and Ederson for £35M
This year we've bought Laporte for £57M and Mahrez for £60M
 
dickie davies said:
What's this current model you're referring to?
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Buying young, promising, and cheap, to see how they do. You say you don't like it, fair enough, but in my opinion its a good policy, and we could turn up a gem, in fact Zinchenko might well be one, despite your opinion that he isn't. Kelechi is another example, OK he's moved on, but we took a risk, and made a decent profit on him, and if he turns out to be star in future we will probably gain further.

Nobody knows the first thing about this lad, but clearly he backs himself, and until I've seen otherwise he'll get my backing, and writing him off before he's even kicked a ball in training is pretty shoddy.

Oh, and I'm quite obviously not talking about buying the proven internationals that you mention, as I think all those were/are ready, and will/already have been successes.
 
cleavers said:
Buying young, promising, and cheap, to see how they do. You say you don't like it, fair enough, but in my opinion its a good policy, and we could turn up a gem, in fact Zinchenko might well be one, despite your opinion that he isn't. Kelechi is another example, OK he's moved on, but we took a risk, and made a decent profit on him, and if he turns out to be star in future we will probably gain further.

Nobody knows the first thing about this lad, but clearly he backs himself, and until I've seen otherwise he'll get my backing, and writing him off before he's even kicked a ball in training is pretty shoddy.

Oh, and I'm quite obviously not talking about buying the proven internationals that you mention, as I think all those were/are ready, and will/already have been successes.
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As I said, if City wants to monetise players they have to play for the first team as Zinchenko has done and Iheanacho did
As for Sandler backing himself, he's hardly going to say "yes I have always dreamed about being loaned out to Girona" ;-)
 
dickie davies said:
Bony, Mangala and Fernando are our three most recent expensive mistakes, but I honestly believe we've learnt our lesson when buying for big money

What's this current model you're referring to?
Start of last season we 'd just brought in Walker for £55M, Mendy for £50M, Bernardo for £45M and Ederson for £35M
This year we've bought Laporte for £57M and Mahrez for £60M
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Fernando was £12m.
 
Jalfraag said:
Fernando was £12m.
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So we only spunked £7.5M net in transfer fees plus his wages for three years. As an estimate he will have cost the club £20M in total. It's hardly chicken feed, especially when he was about as much use as a chocolate fireguard

Bony will have cost us in the region of £16M net in transfer fees plus his wages, but at least we managed to farm him out for a season
 
dickie davies said:
So we only spunked £7.5M net in transfer fees plus his wages for three years. As an estimate he will have cost the club £20M in total. It's hardly chicken feed, especially when he was about as much use as a chocolate fireguard

Bony will have cost us in the region of £16M net in transfer fees plus his wages, but at least we managed to farm him out for a season
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Name a team that's had fewer than two or three poor buys in the last few years?
 
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