PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

Oh, I don't think we can defend it. I think we are fucked on non-cooperation. I am just trying to get my head around what this list of breaches actually means.

And, as you can probably tell, I still don't see things the way others do.

I am very probably wrong but I owe it to myself to try to get it straight in my own mind.

The problem with many of us that aren’t lawyers is we use things like rights & wrongs based on our values & not the law.

Still think I’m right though ;)

 

[Keeper!]

As an avid reader of the last 1765 pages, I often imagine the PL lawyers following the thread with similar diligence. Sometimes making notes and sometimes laughing hysterically.

There not the only one laughing, some of the theories and conspiracies on here are borderline madness.

 

[cheekybids]

There not the only one laughing, some of the theories and conspiracies on here are borderline madness.

I can forgive people when we you consider that we are in trouble due to a Portuguese Cyber hacker who gave the material to a German tabloid who spliced emails to make them look dodgy.

I’ve not heard anything as mad as that.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I can forgive people when we you consider that we are in trouble due to a Portuguese Cyber hacker who gave the material to a German tabloid who spliced emails to make them look dodgy
......

...... encouraged by Americans from Liverpool sponsored by money launderers for the Iranian National Revolutionary Guard and Americans from Salford who hide their ill-gotten gains in the Cayman Islands.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The problem with many of us that aren’t lawyers is we use things like rights & wrongs based on our values & not the law.

Still think I’m right though ;)

You and me:

 

[cheekybids]

...... encouraged by Americans from Liverpool sponsored by money launderers for the Iranian National Revolutionary Guard and Americans from Salford who hide their ill-gotten gains in the Cayman Islands.

using plutonium stolen from Libyan terrorists to energize a DeLorean time machine regulated by a “flux capacitor.”

 

[cheekybids]

You and me:
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That series was perfection.

 

[Keeper!]

I can forgive people when we you consider that we are in trouble due to a Portuguese Cyber hacker who gave the material to a German tabloid who spliced emails to make them look dodgy.

I’ve not heard anything as mad as that.

You think this is all down to that?

If it was you think the PL would risk so much?

I hope your right!

 

[petrusha]

I can forgive people when we you consider that we are in trouble due to a Portuguese Cyber hacker who gave the material to a German tabloid who spliced emails to make them look dodgy.

I’ve not heard anything as mad as that.

I continually remember that our sponsorship was accepted by UEFA as being of a fair value, under the relevant services to Etihad under the contract had unquestionably been provided, and Etihad had paid for the services in full, with the money coming direct from Etihad. And yet UEFA thought this conduct deserved a two-year ban from their competitions coupled with a fine of tens of millions of Euro.

I still think that such a penalty was clearly disproportionate even if UEFA had managed to prove that somehow equity funding was being injected under the above model. After all, the scheme, had it existed, would have entailed City gifting to Etihad for £8 million sponsorship services worth, according to UEFA's independent expert appraiser, many times that figure at the same time as denying the club itself an opportunity to seek a sponsor that the club wouldn't have to subsidise in this way.

Thus, the alleged scheme wouldn't have involved City illegitimately raising our income by funnelling into the club extra sponsorship funds beyond the fair value we could expect from a third-party sponsor. IMO, that's a salient point, to which UEFA paid no heed in determining the penalty. And a succession of lamebrained cunts acting in the utmost bad faith (I'm looking at you, Simon Jordan, among others) still claim that we did this despite the outcome of the UEFA case.

BUT. There's been a lot of comment on here that the PL are looking to cover matters not litigated at the CAS in the UEFA proceedings, and that's clearly true. However, the PL also seem to be litigating matters that were covered in those proceedings. I suppose there are motives for them to do that if they don't have any more serious evidence than UEFA had, but it would seem a strange course of action to me if they really don't.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yes, I think so. Take the Etihad sponsorship issue. Our accounts say “Etihad sponsored us £X.” The auditors look at the contract, tick that box, look at the bank statements, see £X coming in to City’s bank accounts from Etihad, tick that box and move on to the next bit.

Meanwhile, in a different accountant’s office, Etihad’s accounts say “We sponsored City £X.” Their auditors look at the contract , tick that box, look at the bank statements, see £X going from Etihad to MCFC, tick that box and move on to the next bit.

Given that our accounts mirror Etihad’s in this respect I don’t see how you can establish fraud without some actual direct, first hand evidence that the payment from Etihad to MCFC was actually disguised owner investment rather than what it appears to be on the face of the documents. Someone who says, in effect, “I know what the accounts say but I was in the meeting where the question for discussion was how we camouflage ADUG putting £X into MCFC without UEFA getting wind of it, and that’s what we actually did. I know because I was there.”

Maybe they have that evidence. But I don’t see how a paper trail alone can possibly get them there. Which, as I understand it, is all they have.

If they had that evidence, the Premier League would have already produced it.

I don't believe they are trying to catch us in a lie, produce a smoking gun at arbitration.

It's gone this far because we simply know everything you have brilliantly explained, we know the law better than they seemingly do and the bar is extremely high.

We've taken the smears, but I genuinely believe the Club and our executives have gamed the whole battle process out and accepted that downside to win the entire war.

The Premier League ran out of road and here we are.