PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Any chance next week that some of the 'charges' have been dropped?
E.g. if city have sent them some irrefutable evidence about the mancini breaches might they have been removed?
 
Ric said:
I can understand why some people fear a stitch-up, but it's going to be a long 18 months or so if you start heading down that rabbit hole. That way madness lies. Until we see anything to suggest the contrary, I'm going to assume that the panel will be independent and that we will get a fair hearing. Otherwise, what's the point in any of this? Personally, I think there is far too much at stake, on numerous levels, for the panel just to hand out some arbitrary punishment to us in order to appease certain parties. The fallout from a guilty verdict will be huge, so they'd need cogent evidence that holds up to extensive scrutiny.
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The fallout from a not guilty will be huge.

Joe Public have already made their minds up so if we end up being found not guilty it’ll be littered with every rationale under the sun except, of course, that we might be innocent.
 
I just can't wait for this to be over and done with. Sick of all the scouse/rags/tarquins etc going on about how we are guilty and should be relegated to wherever THEY want us to be relegated to, strip us of titles THEY never came close to winning yada, yada, yada. Yet not one of these morons have one scrap of tangible evidence to prove these charges. They are not privy to any of the evidence collected by the Premier League, City and their legal representatives. But there they are still acting as judge, jury and executioner, pontificating over others how clean their clubs are when we know different. These people are just beyond a joke.

I can't wait for the fallout that will inevitably come out of any verdict from the inquiry because, win or lose, City will unleash a shit load of hell on the Premier League. Those clubs who thought they are untouchable will suddenly be running for cover as questions, serious fucking questions will be asked about their finances and their adhesion to these FFP, PSR and other rules the league has brought in. Then those fans of the hated 8/9 will be singing a very different tune. And I for one will be enjoying watching them squirm, cower and beg for forgiveness.
 
for all those that say we cant not be found guilty because it would damage the premier league, we couldnt win the premier league because we were too small, pep would never come to us because we had no history, it was impossible to do the domestic treble, a 100 point season that will never happen, the treble will never be repeated etc etc, to quote jay z difficult takes a day , impossible takes a week, we specialise in the impossible
 
argyle said:
I agree. If evidence existed of fraud by the City execs then it wouldn't be left to the league to investigate and a poxy PL panel to judge, it would be the HRMC, the Serious Fraud Office, the National Crime Agency and then the Crown Court.

I also doubt the league would sit on this evidence without passing it to the authorities.
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Exactly!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
When you look at Masters, how he conducts and presents himself, how he responds to questions, his demeanour and command of the room - the whole thing makes more sense.

He’s hopelessly out of his depth and this is brought into even sharper relief when you objectively assess the quality (relative and absolute) of senior management at City.
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Masters is on a par with all the chairman, executives and people at the top for the old top six when we were taken over. They totally underestimated our owners and how good they were and just how successful we were going to be. Once the penny dropped panic set in and that's when they rushed through ffp in an effort to stop us. UEFA failed so they threw the ball into the premier leagues court. Hopefully they fail too. Now they've got that ball they're starting to realise just how hot it is and I believe want to drop it before they get really burnt. We'll see but if as our chairman says we have irrefutable evidence of our innocence then some bums must be twitching in their offices.
 
117 M34 said:
Any chance next week that some of the 'charges' have been dropped?
E.g. if city have sent them some irrefutable evidence about the mancini breaches might they have been removed?
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It could be absolutely anything from an actual date to (as you say) some charges already dismissed. However given this seems to have originated from The Telegraph it's at least as likely if not a given that there'll be nothing whatsoever.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
My personal favourite in all this is the assertion that we have an unfair advantage in that we have expensive legal representation - Dame Dinenage - a Baroness no less, for services to the bleeding obvious and doing her job - and someone with form for condemning before a legal verdict, I think it was she, asked/intimated about whether is was fair we had expensive lawyers compared to "smaller clubs". So now premiership clubs can't afford decent legal advice and lawyers? Look at the transfer fees and salaries they pay - er I think they can. It appears, given the caution (for once from Masters - an inveterate gobshite) and the clear avoidance to anything with our case - that our lawyers are all over this and already earning their corn. How unfair of us to defend ourselves so well!! The Government would never think of using DLA Piper, Dentons, Addleshaw Goddard, Browne Jacobson, Burges Salmon, DAC Beachcroft etc etc and have a Legal Framework reserve of £430M to crush the little man.
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I've no idea what you're taking about, but I've liked it anyway.
 
My hope is that IF we are found Guilty and charged in any way whatsoever and have any penalties imposed, we don't go down without a fight.

And we publicly call out the unfairness of the so called FFP rules especially the protectionism and the way some other clubs have escaped scutiny and the persecution that we have. Namely Spurs and their dodgy transfer dealing/ payments and Chelsea who Abramovich was able to bank roll through FFP via soft loans and then just write off when he sold the club, without any sanction.
 
would be quite fun that all the haters would need to drop their 115 remark to something like 69 if some charges dropped.

wonder what is this development on the case next week. guess just in time before the Spurs FA Cup game so expect it on Wednesday on Thursday.
 
Dribble said:
The PL have claimed they have enough evidence to accuse us & hold a hearing, so if that's the case why aren't they passing their 'evidence' on to the relevant authorities now?

Moreover, our investigations been in the public domain for nearly 6 years for all to see & hear, so why haven't the authorities swooped on the Etihad yet?
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I'm not sure what you mean here. They investigated, and accused us of 115 infractions of PL rules. The whole matter is now being adjudicated by a commission. If the commission finds us guilty of some of the alleged offences, isn't that the time for the evidence to be passed on for additional criminal investigations?
 
cheekybids said:
Some is good old fashioned paranoia but sometimes the paranoia is for good reason.

We’ve seen rule changes, bans, charges after blatant attempts to destroy us so sometimes people get carried away when they say they are out to get us & sometimes they are on the money.
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As the saying goes…just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you !
 
yep on Chelsea I am quite shocked that PL is silent. there were some hacked Cyprus email/documetns not long ago about some dubious deals they did under Abra, wonder they take these as seriously as the Der Spiegel hacked documents.

and also Boehly admitted they found serious fake things from past accounts under Abra-era which Uefa looked at and handed out 10 euros punishment for it.
how come PL not yet looked and charged them for these, given not much investigation needed as kind of self reported things.
www.theguardian.com

Chelsea pay Uefa €10m as ‘incomplete financial reporting’ sanction

Chelsea have agreed to pay Uefa €10m as a sanction for ‘incomplete financial reporting’ under Roman Abramovich’s ownership
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

if they were in breach of Uefa rules of incomplete financial reporting at the time than likely they have breached any PL rules at the time.
plus anything else that came out additionally on the Cyprus leak recently.

would UK media tho paint this as FFP cheaters, take away their trophies in said period etc?
likely not.
its only City.
look at the general consensus around Everton, Forest, "poor clubs they dont deserve this, but what about City"
 
Dribble said:
The PL have claimed they have enough evidence to accuse us & hold a hearing, so if that's the case why aren't they passing their 'evidence' on to the relevant authorities now?

Moreover, our investigations been in the public domain for nearly 6 years for all to see & hear, so why haven't the authorities swooped on the Etihad yet?
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exactly this, there's also the opposite assumption that also benefits us. ie if it's not fraud then has to be a limitation of 6 years by UK law. It's either one or the other and you can't have both. Since no police investigation is happening then that implies limitation has to be applied and anything before the 2012 season can't be charged
 
Scaley said:
Believe it or not that was more or less my explanation to some Scousers at work today, all I got back was “brown envelopes” but they couldn’t explain why these same envelopes didn’t stop the PL taking the action they have. The mask has really slipped with some of the Scousers I know both blue and red.
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I spend a lot of time explaining to rival fans that "115 charges" is neither here nor there, it's the seriousness of the charges that they should be interested in. I honestly think the average punter on the street just thinks "oh, you've done 115 bad things" and that's that. I have to explain its worse than you think, but that means its harder to demonstrate than you think.
 
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