PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I get what you are saying PB and believe you but I cant help thinking the board will just ignore it all and fine us guilty.


That’s effectively saying you don’t trust the independent KCs to come to an evidence based decision. You’re fine to think that but then that’s validating our detractors that say the same thing about CAS.

It’s a very slippery slope and not one I buy into at all tbh.
 
I'm not going into the detail of the City charges but what I'll say with Everton is that their case was far more 'cut and dry' than the City charges as they were warned repeatedly about their FFP obligations by the PL but still went ahead and signed players and incurred losses, assuming they could write it off against Covid. The fact other teams complied with FFP and then got relegated means that they have a far more persuasive argument for compensation and, make no mistake, Everton will be sued successfully for many millions of pounds.

With you guys there are charges that have not yet been proven and that will take time and process. Plus these charges are all retrospective, there was no edict at the time the alleged offences were taking place where the PL said 'hey guys you shouldn't be doing this, please stop'.

With Everton the PL was warning them at the time they were incurring losses that they should not be signing any more players but they went ahead and did it anyway so it was far easier for the PL to find them guilty and issue the penalty.
Wasn't just COVID, most clubs will have used that, Ukraine war and Usenov being sanctioned was another mitigating factor, think he was buying the naming rights to the new stadium
 
A lot of people really confident we will be fine and use CAS outcome to back up case. But even then it wasn’t a unanimous verdict I believe we only won 2-1, so who is to say this won’t be the same. I wish I had as much faith as everyone else in this so called independent process. For 1 I don’t trust it to be independent.

The one in that case was the person “appointed” by UEFA wasn’t it?
 
WHAT NEXT...
I'm guessing the appeal process will probably reduce the EFC points deduction to 6 or 7 points. But the really big decision now is who will get compensation fron EFC ? and how much ? The 5 relegated clubs have gone sky high asking ridiculous amounts. My guess again is EFC will be told to pay around approx 30/40 million (Grand Total) over a 4 year period, so substantial but achievable.

aside: If a club is relegated because of a points deduction do they still qualify for the standard parachute payment ?.

I'm sure the EFC case is a dry run, setting precedents that the PL will hope to apply to us but no doubt with a magnification factor of around 10.

The media frenzy will calm down for a while, until we win the World Championship (hopefully).

Those people who have discussed this with executives eg Sorano, say the club are extremely confident of winning the case. I'm sure they are absolutely on it constantly and making sure the legal team win this case. The alternative reality is becoming clearer by the day.
 
He's consistently pointed out the difficulties the league will have of proving their case against us.
@Dribble What moomba says.

It doesn't come over in that Sun piece but he has consistently and repeatedly highlighted the very high bar for the PL to get this shit through. See his huge contribution to this thread and his podcast/spaces work.

Before CAS there were all his very detailed articles as well.
 
If it were an 'independent commission' that has decided to dock Everton 10points for their transgressions (which appears excessive and unfair on the face of it). What gives us confidence that we will be treated fairly by a similar process? Is it as simple as Everton were obviously and factually guilty of breaches whilst the burden of proof in our favour makes it very difficult for the commission to find us guilty?

Have to say that the Everton ruling has made me less confident that this will be a fair process.

The whole thing is a witch hunt so being sceptical about how fairly we will be treated is reasonable but if due process is not followed, City will presumably go to court.
 
The rest of football fans in this country are being gas lighted by the finger being pointed at the likes of City and Newcastle. Is conspiring to form a super league and kill top level football in this country a million times worse than creative accounting yet they got away with it.
as ive said earlier in this thread, its just yank business 101, when you cant compete fairly sue
 
CAS didn't rule on any of the PL's charges, to be clear. UEFA could potentially have brought in the image rights payments, which were within the six-year period. But they seem to have been OK with this, so it's hard to see how the PL can land this.

The Mancini contract and the sponsorship income would have been time-barred but the former is completely irrelevant and I don't think PL rules say anything (or didn't at the time) about who could sponsor clubs. As long as we recorded the income properly and it wasn't inflated, then that one won't stick either.

And for people comparing us to Everton, even in the unlikely event we were found to have breached all the rules, we still wouldn't come anywhere near failing the PL Cost & Sustainability rules.

Update: The PL rules only came into force in 2013/14 as far as I'm aware, although the rules prior to that specified the requirement to provide accounts. But as far as I can see from the 2011/12 Handbook, there's only a requirement to provide audited accounts that have been prepared in line with relevant accounting standards.

Ta mate appreciate the clarity.
 

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