PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Kinkys Left Foot said:
For pens I wouldn't have thought any "espionage" was necessary.
Every penalty ever taken in competition will be available to watch to make such judgements. I would imagine the difficulty lies when facing players who rarely if ever take them but by that stage its pot luck.
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A number of their players particularly the younger ones wont have taken any penalties in public before. For the likely direction for every squad player as pictured on Pickford's water bottle, there's definitely been some espionage going on. The Canada coach in trouble for the drone spying is unfortunately also from England! :-(
If you have input where the players who rarely take penalties have been placing them in training, like appears from the water bottle notes, it can take a lot of 'pot luck' out of the process.
 
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Plain Speaking said:
Very likely England did some secret spying to know the penalties direction of every Switzerland penalty taker in the Euros.

Whether that was a drone, hidden camera in the training facility or person spying at their training session remains unknown at this stage?

YOu don't get to know such important and detailed information without some espionage activities.

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I like the way they are 'dive' in front of each instruction. Why not just 'left' or 'right'. Maybe Pickford, as well as having short arms, is an imbecile.
 
give it to gordon said:
Have the authorities got any proof that these ffp rules are stopping clubs going bust ?
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Restricting legitimate external investment is a certain way to reduce the amount of money circulating in football. Allowing unsustainable debt (which remains the status quo) increases the chances of clubs going bust. The Pl financial rules are nothing more than a giant con trick carried out by a small group of powerful and influential clubs who want to maintain a commercial monopoly. Yet only one person in the media (Martin Samuels) has called it out for what it is.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Restricting legitimate external investment is a certain way to reduce the amount of money circulating in football. Allowing unsustainable debt (which remains the status quo) increases the chances of clubs going bust. The Pl financial rules are nothing more than a giant con trick carried out by a small group of powerful and influential clubs who want to maintain a commercial monopoly. Yet only one person in the media (Martin Samuels) has called it out for what it is.
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...the rest are 'paid shills', some of whom are fully aware of the cartel conspiracy & who leads it.

The others are probably ignoramus’s who will be compiling 'Deaths,Births & Marriages' for their shameless rags next week.

The English press and media are a shameless & shameful disgrace who have collectively failed to recognise that opposition fans out number rags and dippers by a multiple of X.

If the incompetents reversed their coverage against the red shirt clubs they'd be selling a million more papers every day.

Stupid is,as stupid does !!
 
Gone for a Burton said:
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...the rest are 'paid shills', some of whom are fully aware of the cartel conspiracy & who leads it.

The others are probably ignoramus’s who will be compiling 'Deaths,Births & Marriages' for their shameless rags next week.

The English press and media are a shameless & shameful disgrace who have collectively failed to recognise that opposition fans out number rags and dippers by a multiple of X.

If the incompetents reversed their coverage against the red shirt clubs they'd be selling a million more papers every day.

Stupid is,as stupid does !!
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One of the problems we have is the MSM is now an entirely data driven business. They know exactly what delivers max clicks. Eg How else do you explain the relentless negativity of the MUEN ?. Traditionally a newspaper that was supportive and positive towards the club, no matter how bad we are doing. Now it uses automated content to drive City haters to their pages. So Pep leaving, KDB leaving, Ederson leaving, Alverez leaving all interspersed with the legal cases is the current shite on offer. They know a negative City story will drive far more users than a positive one. If this is the case for a 'local' rag it will, by definition, be far worse in national outlets. We've even see this spill over into local news coverage, eg the BBC managed to turn the delayed opening of Co-Op Live into alleged human rights violations in the UAE. We have no alternative but to suck it up, maintain the highest possible standards on and off the field, develop hard skins and own it. It's who we are now.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
One of the problems we have is the MSM is now an entirely data driven business. They know exactly what delivers max clicks. Eg How else do you explain the relentless negativity of the MUEN ?. Traditionally a newspaper that was supportive and positive towards the club, no matter how bad we are doing. Now it uses automated content to drive City haters to their pages. So Pep leaving, KDB leaving, Ederson leaving, Alverez leaving all interspersed with the legal cases is the current shite on offer. They know a negative City story will drive far more users than a positive one. If this is the case for a 'local' rag it will, by definition, be far worse in national outlets. We've even see this spill over into local news coverage, eg the BBC managed to turn the delayed opening of Co-Op Live into alleged human rights violations in the UAE. We have no alternative but to suck it up, maintain the highest possible standards on and off the field, develop hard skins and own it. It's who we are now.
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All noted.

My observations apply to clicks in addition to physical purchases.

More fans would read /click positive articles about their own clubs rather than avoiding those about the rags/dippers.


The fan bases of the other 18 PL clubs and all the EFL clubs dwarfs the red shirts.

Lazy,'paid for' excuse for journalism !!
 
give it to gordon said:
Have the authorities got any proof that these ffp rules are stopping clubs going bust ?
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As I've said before on here, City would easily have passed FFP/PSR in the 2006-8 three-year assessment period. Yet we could easily have gone into administration (and we were actively looking at doing so) in July 2008. The reason things were so desperate was that we couldn't pay the second £15m transfer instalment on the players Sven bought, which was due that month.

Our finances in the financial years in 2006 and 2007 had nothing to do with the problem. These started in 2008 and would have hit us in the 2009 financial year.
 
Plain Speaking said:
Very likely England did some secret spying to know the penalties direction of every Switzerland penalty taker in the Euros.

Whether that was a drone, hidden camera in the training facility or person spying at their training session remains unknown at this stage?

YOu don't get to know such important and detailed information without some espionage activities.

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That's just "best guess" based on a players penalty taking statistics that almost anybody with a computer can get hold of.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
That's just "best guess" based on a players penalty taking statistics that almost anybody with a computer can get hold of.
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Not all of those players are penalty takers, so there won’t be stats for all of them

Who knew the waistcoated one would be so bold as to spy on the opposition? Good lad, he’s gone up in my estimation ;)
 
Maly said:
Not all of those players are penalty takers, so there won’t be stats for all of them

Who knew the waistcoated one would be so bold as to spy on the opposition? Good lad, he’s gone up in my estimation ;)
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I reckon almost all will have taken a penalty in one competition or another at some point. Even if they haven't, it's possible that they came up with a best guess for each player regardless, and that's on Pickford's bottle so he doesn't forget.
 
It's possible that there was some spying. It wouldn't be unheard of in football, used to happen a lot, used to be on the clubs/national teams to take measures to protect against it. However, there's no 'definite' or anything close to it about the espionage from England claim. Players not known for taking pens could have been decided via other data, such as: stronger foot, ball striking technique and so on(things they do know).

I'm not even sure how much of a 'cheat' it would be. It's penalties, even the list they had from spying could have ended up being wrong when it came down to it, just based on the players' ability to change their minds, based on how they are feeling and/or the keeper in front of them.

Liverpool hacking scouting networks should have been followed up, it wasn't and we can take a good guess why: Certain clubs(two in particular) appear to be off limits for disciplinary action from the PL. Worse still, they are pandered to, rules are introduced to suit them and everyone is supposed to go along with it and pretend they don't see it for what it is(which most of the press do).
 
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the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
That's just "best guess" based on a players penalty taking statistics that almost anybody with a computer can get hold of.
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I'd imagine John, Kyle and Phil would've been asked for their thoughts on what side Akanji had a preference for.

Same for the rest of the squad that play or have played with international opponents at club level.
 
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mattcity5 said:
I reckon almost all will have taken a penalty in one competition or another at some point. Even if they haven't, it's possible that they came up with a best guess for each player regardless, and that's on Pickford's bottle so he doesn't forget.
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Nah, I heard on good authority that one of Gareth’s main strengths was hiding in bushes watching the opposition practice penalties
 
Uwe Already said:
There was a bloke on here who used to report on training from up a ladder at carrington if I recall - brilliant stuff “x was training well after injury” etc., I believe it went a bit more private when we “turned professional”
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Doug still posts on twitter great days peering through or over fence . I was there with my lad he was taking pictures when Mario and Bobby had a disagreement unfortunately we missed it and so did the media lads that were doing same as us and there went my fortune cause lad also missed it
 
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