PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Stoned Rose]

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Re: 115 charges for the scorched earth cheating bastards on & off the pitch​

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- Stripped of all trophies won during the period.
- expelled from the PL
- relegated to league 2
- unable to be promoted to the PL for 10 years regardless of their results.
- a 10 year ban on any incoming signings
- clubs to be financially reimbursed for financial losses.
- supporters of all clubs to receive a backdated award of money, to go out and celebrate the trophies they were cheated out of. £500 per trophy.
- no games shown live on TV. And all games to be 12.30 kick offs.
- no entry into the FA cup or League cup.
- to return the stadium they were 'gifted'.

That should do for starters.

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Any scouser worth their salt’s favourite word is “backdated”.

They are world class at applying it to their benefits.

For a lot of them it’s their first word as a baby.

Many of the them have it as their middle name.

 

[halfcenturyup]

His comment that”we have to enforce the rules” was an attempt to pressure the panel in my view. It could have annoyed them though. Judges and KCs hate this sort of thing in my experience.

I read it as they have to finalise the process if there is evidence of a breach and not sufficient counter-evidence to disprove it. I don't for a minute believe that is the case, btw, but I have some sympathy with the concept. If the club have withheld external evidence that would irrefutably prove their innocence, there is a chain of thought that the PL had no option but to refer the allegations. It's not something I think is right in this case, bearing in mind what was presented at CAS, but I can understanding the reasoning.

 

[CC1]

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Re: 115 charges for the scorched earth cheating bastards on & off the pitch​

« Reply #8026 on: Today at 11:04:02 am »

- Stripped of all trophies won during the period.
- expelled from the PL
- relegated to league 2
- unable to be promoted to the PL for 10 years regardless of their results.
- a 10 year ban on any incoming signings
- clubs to be financially reimbursed for financial losses.
- supporters of all clubs to receive a backdated award of money, to go out and celebrate the trophies they were cheated out of. £500 per trophy.
- no games shown live on TV. And all games to be 12.30 kick offs.
- no entry into the FA cup or League cup.
- to return the stadium they were 'gifted'.

That should do for starters.

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Aww. Bless. It would certainly take such actions for the dippers to get anywhere near our achievements

You have to feel sorry for their anger, bitterness & outright envy

 

[halfcenturyup]

My man.

Love you too x

 

[argyle]

When it's all over I just hope the Club take legal action against Journalists, Individuals and anyone else who has slandered us. Also banning orders for those and media people. Starting with Spit the Dog.

Not a chance. Our media department bends over backwards for these bastards.

I know a solicitor that worked for City and when I asked why journalists and organisations weren't being sued or banned he said it's because our media department are friends with them all.

Not to keep the enemy close either.

Think they have a genuine belief that one day we might be praised the way the red shirts are.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Not a chance. Our media department bends over backwards for these bastards.

I know a solicitor that worked for City and when I asked why journalists and organisations weren't being sued or banned he said it's because our media department are friends with them all.

Not to keep the enemy close either.

Think they have a genuine belief that one day we might be praised the way the red shirts are.

Maybe so, but if we ever are, it will be different journalists and different organisations.

 

[Coatigan]

For any of these imaginary executives to be able to form a salient view they’d need to be privy to all of the evidence and to have the legal expertise to digest and understand it all.

They haven’t.

Or, in the unlikely event they have had access to the evidence, in order to form these views, that would be a huge breach of legal privilege and the whole case would therefore collapse.

It’s completely made up nonsense.

It is probably true. 0 to 1 IS technically a 'growing' consensus.

 

[thatsmyflag]

Sat by the pool in Cyprus
Listening to a Brummy (Utd) fan about how city should be relegated to league two, how city have ruined football. Ha Ha Ha

When asked why Utd would take on someone who (in his mind) helped us cheat (Omar Berrada) he became confused.
When I asked about their new saviour in Sir JR (who he claims will lead them to victory) (good luck) why would such a respectable man hire someone knowing (in his mind)he is a cheat and would soon be exposed?

He swam off… cheerio

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

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Re: 115 charges for the scorched earth cheating bastards on & off the pitch​

« Reply #8026 on: Today at 11:04:02 am »

- Stripped of all trophies won during the period.
- expelled from the PL
- relegated to league 2
- unable to be promoted to the PL for 10 years regardless of their results.
- a 10 year ban on any incoming signings
- clubs to be financially reimbursed for financial losses.
- supporters of all clubs to receive a backdated award of money, to go out and celebrate the trophies they were cheated out of. £500 per trophy.
- no games shown live on TV. And all games to be 12.30 kick offs.
- no entry into the FA cup or League cup.
- to return the stadium they were 'gifted'.

That should do for starters.

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No mention of 39 dead Italians?

 

[terraloon]

If the PL were confident of getting a conviction with the evidence they purportedly have to hand then surely they would have swiftly held their investigation and punished the club years ago. Instead it looks like their evidence is built like a flimsy house of cards and they are praying the whole thing doesn't collapse before their very eyes. They have to prove beyond reasonable doubt any or all of the charges they have proffered to the commission. All we have to do it show any evidence that casts doubt on any or all of the charges and I'm quietly confident we can do so.

However, with them bringing the case forward to September they have either found (or god forbid fabricated or manipulated) some more evidence or, as is more than likely, pandered to the red top cartel and their tagnut, sycophant clubs to allow them to sue the club before the statue of limitations prevents them doing so. They are now hoping not only for the club to be ruined on the field but financially ruined as well. A massive gamble on their part which, if it backfires and we are exonerated, will no doubt result in unprecedented and irrepairable financial and reputational damage to the PL and those clubs who tried to sue us. I still think the PL are looking to broker a deal to save face but we have had mire than enough of all their whining, insinuations and allegations that we are determined to clear our name.

I really would caution reading anything into the advance of the hearing.

We all know that a hearing was scheduled for late summer / autumn but if it is indeed a move to September then as was suggested in a report I read that it could be as simple as City, despite what has been put in the public domain, have accepted some of the charges.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I see MagicTwat is busy posting again on twitter about how we are going to get annihilated by the IC, not quoting it on here.

@slbsn have you seen his latest ramblings?

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I really would caution reading anything into the advance of the hearing.

We all know that a hearing was scheduled for late summer / autumn but if it is indeed a move to September then as was suggested in a report I read that it could be as simple as City, despite what has been put in the public domain, have accepted some of the charges.

Or the PL have dropped some.

 

[waspish]

Regarding the red top press and their vitriolic views on City, just remember that 'empty vessels make most noise'. They are shouting because they are desperate. Best to ignore them and remember what Khaldoon said about it.

Funny cheslea been shit for a few years not a threat no noise when they've sold a hotel and woman's to themselves admitted to giving players agents off the books payments so they get those players! Hazard was one of them and sold for 130m! Now would have they failed PSR if they didn't get him if it was fair!?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Absolute fucking hatchet job thinly disguised as journalism on The Athletic tonight!

Manchester City, the Premier League and the season everything might change

A few excerpts:

There are some (executives) who are so worn down by the decade-long pursuit of City that they fear Manchester City’s case may result in a financial settlement rather than a sporting penalty. Then there are rival executives who consider this outcome to be impossible, utterly outrageous, and say it would cast the death knell for financial sustainability not only within the English game but across European football.

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As one Premier League club executive says: “The collective view I’ve heard is that an appropriate sanction would have to be a points deduction so substantial — we are talking here between 70 and 80 points — that it guarantees City a season in the Championship.”

Another of the sport’s leading figures suggests the punishment ought to be more creative, that a number of points could be deducted from City in each of the next three seasons, meaning the club’s chance of Champions League qualification would be severely restricted. Another compares the City case to that of the English rugby union side Saracens who, when Premiership champions in 2019, were deducted 35 points, hit with a £5.36million ($6.9m at current rates) fine and relegated to the second division owing to non-compliance with the league’s salary-cap rules.

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A coach who came up against City has simply made his mind up about their guilt and argues they have not achieved their success with the same level of discipline as their rivals, but suspects it is too late now to truly remedy the matter. At the same time, there are fears that a failure to convict and punish City poses major questions about the Premier League’s ability to run itself, particularly with the prospect of an independent regulator still looming next year. Numerous club executives say their incentives to follow the rules would be greatly diminished if the Premier League proves toothless on City.

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In English football, nobody is prepared to put their name to quotes about the City case. That is not the same for La Liga president Javier Tebas, who has been a longstanding critic of the impact of clubs linked to nation-states. City always insist they are not owned by the state of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), but Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan is the deputy prime minister of the UAE and the minister of presidential affairs. He is the majority shareholder in City via Newton Investment and Development, a company he wholly owns and which is registered in Abu Dhabi.

Tebas tells The Athletic: “It is difficult for me to say what is proportionate in England because I don’t know so well the English rules and law. But I can refer to what happened at UEFA… then what happened at CAS — in a resolution I would describe as a joke — is they took the sanction away. It was a very controversial decision to take away that sanction. Now, let’s see, I won’t dare to predict, but I am aware that there is a lot of concern among many clubs in the Premier League about what happens with City. What happens with Man City is a before and after moment for the Premier League itself.”

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And so on…

Anyone would think the Euros are over, the Olympics are over, and City are about to embark on the chance to win a FIFTH STRAIGHT TITLE!!!

UFB…Oh wait, no, it’s entirely predictable!

If you thought the whole of English football was praying for an Arsenal title win last season, one can only imagine the narrative we face this season.

Let the games begin!

Why on earth read that rag?

 

[Silva61]

It’s all being staged managed. Masters knows full well he shouldn’t say anything.

But there he was giving interviews to every platform with comments such as ‘we’ve a responsibility to enforce the rules’.

When he said that, was he implying that he and his staff don't make them up, if not then who does, is it the 20 clubs or a smaller sub committee before being put to the vote.

 

[lancs blue]

We just have to accept the fact that we are universally despised.

An indication that we have truly arrived at the top of the pile. I love it!

 

[terraloon]

Or the PL have dropped some.

I think that’s less likely for two reasons 1) Ornstein (yes I Know ) in a podcast yesterday was making the claim that the number of charges has increased and when he asked the PL about this he says they declined to comment
2) The time set aside for the hearing is now said not to be 6 weeks but 10

 

[wolviedinho]

For those that haven't read it, there's nothing new in that article to give any cause for concern from what I can see. Even if the quotes from "PL execs" are genuine, they will have no bearing on the case. They just read like fan fiction, the sort of wishful thinking you see on RAWK or Red Cafe when it come to prospective punishments. If anything, you can sense a bit of desperation that things may not go their way and this is a final throw of the dice to try and exert pressure on the IC.

Facts will win out against external pressure.

They can howl all day long at the moon and it will make no difference to the paper tail and senior people the club puts forward to defend its position and explain the situation.

None of us know how city paid this or that but the people in charge do and even after the allegations surfaced at UEFA and now the premier city have not changed how they conduct themselves commercially nor how the books are recorded. Apart from I think the fordham situation.

Let’s say uefa and the league is correct about the financial situation. City after being uncovered by de spiegal continue to keep fudging the numbers?

The spotlight has been on for years. The accounts picked over but still mansour is sneaking money in via ethiad?

We would have made a deal and took the hit once discovered by the German rags.

I can only assume we have done nothing wrong in a legal/financial sense, no more bending the rules than anyone else.

The more I think about the pinch from uefa the more I am glad they screwed us by moving the goalposts. Otherwise we would have been fucked over by the league already. Once bitten and all that, khaldoon wont be so easily manoeuvred again.

Check mate time for the red cunts who ultimately fear competition and being resigned to past glories.

A bloody win is still a win.

 

[Shirley]

I think that’s less likely for two reasons 1) Ornstein (yes I Know ) in a podcast yesterday was making the claim that the number of charges has increased and when he asked the PL about this he says they declined to comment
2) The time set aside for the hearing is now said not to be 6 weeks but 10

A claim you say….

 

[Revolver]

The wretched Crafton who appears to be a Utd fan is simply trying to make money out of us by pandering to the red hordes. Any time there is mention of the charges he flags up on x his dreary article where he “investigates” us.

However I can’t think of anything he’s written about City that has found to be illegal. Some journalist.

Hes too cowardly to quote his sources for his latest effort apart from a man who it’s reported to have supported a right wing Spanish party.

Crafton is very keen to show his support for those he thinks are being persecuted (no problem with this idea) but when it comes to City, well there’s money to be made.

Pathetic.