PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[MillisleBlue]

Part of Everton's panel that dished out the 10 pt punishment was a director at West Ham at the time they paid Sheff Utd compensation for signing tevez & mascherano , hardly an endorsment of their knowledge or impartiality.
We have a Gooner season ticket holder on the panel deciding our fate , there is no such thing as independent it is quite obvious the Gooner wants at least a 10 point dedecution for us so the Goons can win the title.
Couldnt give a shite if he is a KC or MBE or Royalty like everyone in this world and will have bias and favouritism , its human nature.
The panel should consist of non football individuals , with no connection with any football club , so they can view the evidence from a business point of view , it is not a sporting charge/agenda we are accused of we have been accused of financial fraud.

We'll get a fair hearing as long as everyone involved has been living off the grid for the past 10 years. As Jim Royle would probably say, "independent my arse"

 

[Paladin]

I agree with your EFC calcs, but we are facing a x 10 sanction, which if applied would easily lead to relegation. The cost of that plus loss of ECL revenue plus unimaginable compensation claims would run into hundreds of millions. The Everton ruling has changed everything, our next move will be an application to the High Court any day soon. The risks are too high to leave it to Richard Masters’s kangaroo court. We may as well spend the next Xmillion pounds on legal costs for a real court.
So I want to see the prospect of Richard Master’s facing the lawyers of Etihad Airaways etc in a court of Law and under oath explaining exactly what his compelling evidence of corruption actually is.

I think you are overreacting a tad here. We are in effect members of a private club - the PL - and we have to abide by their rules when we agree to be members. We can't go taking them to court because we don't agree with their rules. To change the rules, we would need to get a majority of fellow member clubs to agree with us and then propose a rule change.

We are at the stage of having been charged, and a commission has been appointed to look at the evidence. The next step could be years away, so there is no point worrying about it now.

 

[Norbiton]

i admire your blind faith , i have had dealings with many "independent" bodies , Financial Ombudsman and others and they are as bent as a nine pound note who only serve their paymasters.
I have absolutely no faith that we will be judged fairly i coudldnt give a shite how many letters Murray Rosen and his two assocaites have after their names. Their is a Gooner amongst them and we do not know which club the other two are affiliated to , but there is a high precentage rate that says one of the other two will be a Rag or a Dipper.
You could claim paranoia on my part , which is hardly surprising the way our football has been ridiculed for a decade or more.
Independent commision my arse , there is no such thing.

Our own Lord Pannick is a Gooner too isn’t he?

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Our own Lord Pannick is a Gooner too isn’t he?

Yep ,but were paying his wages :)

 

[Paladin]

i admire your blind faith , i have had dealings with many "independent" bodies , Financial Ombudsman and others and they are as bent as a nine pound note who only serve their paymasters.
I have absolutely no faith that we will be judged fairly i coudldnt give a shite how many letters Murray Rosen and his two assocaites have after their names. Their is a Gooner amongst them and we do not know which club the other two are affiliated to , but there is a high precentage rate that says one of the other two will be a Rag or a Dipper.
You could claim paranoia on my part , which is hardly surprising the way our football has been ridiculed for a decade or more.
Independent commision my arse , there is no such thing.

If Rosen appoints Gill and Parry to hear the case with him, I'm sure City will step in with valid objections. Let's hope he asks Julian Knowles KC and Martin Samuel to assist him.

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I think you are overreacting a tad here. We are in effect members of a private club - the PL - and we have to abide by their rules when we agree to be members. We can't go taking them to court because we don't agree with their rules. To change the rules, we would need to get a majority of fellow member clubs to agree with us and then propose a rule change.

We are at the stage of having been charged, and a commission has been appointed to look at the evidence. The next step could be years away, so there is no point worrying about it now.

I am an over reactor because my profession related f

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

A valid point , the Premier league accusing major compnaies of fraud will have massive ramifications for Master's and his motley crew , the damages will run into billions.
Not sure Master's has thought this one through , what a prick

Can you give an example of an organisation getting billions for reputational damage?

Although admittedly no legal expert, unlike most on here, I'd imagine an organisation would have to prove some quantifiable loss to gain any compensation. Other than a few ruffled feathers I can't imagine Etihad or others could actually present a viable case.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

My use of the term "kangaroo" may trigger legal professionals however many have posted on here that City's fate will be determined by the "interpretation" and "judgements" of just three individuals. In addition, the IC where the standard of proof is less than a court of Law means the risks for City in this context ie existential, are too high. The prospect of relegation, loss of ECL revenue and compensation costs to N other clubs is existential. If the case can be heard in a Court of Law re false accounting we should try that option to raise the required standard of proof.

Judgments.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have absolutely no faith that we will be judged fairly i coudldnt give a shite how many letters Murray Rosen and his two assocaites have after their names.

Rosen has two. K and C.

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

..... to safety critical systems where the worst case scenarios are treated with the highest priority. If we face a deduction of say 12 points per season, then in each of those years we would have used an unfair sporting advantage to exclude other clubs from ECL revenue, ie instead of Europa revenue. That would be what 30M x 10 ?. There is NO limit on financial sanctions. Yes we signed up to rules but are those rules being applied fairly, given we actually won at CAS ?