PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I have never understood the need for secrecy in everything the PL does. It would not cost the PL anything to publish a summary of each club's PSR declarations so they can be scrutinised and justified. What are they so afraid of (rhetorical question ....)?

There's no need for secrecy with VAR, either. Other sports manage to allow viewers and spectators to hear the deliberations when an on-field decision is referred to be determined with the assistance of video replays. The same point applies, really.

Anyway, in terms of its investigatory remit and ability to pursue disciplinary proceedings against clubs it suspects of committing breaches, the PL has long been trying to beef up its powers. I came across a copy on my PC of a version of the PL Handbook I'd downloaded several years ago and the rules differ noticeably from those in the current version. Off the top of my head, the right to appeal to the High Court on a point of law has now been excluded, and that whole section about assisting the regulator with obtaining evidence from third parties.

Both the changes I quote seem directly targeted at the investigation into MCFC, while the Panel's determination after our first APT hearing shows the organisation singling out our club for unduly onerous treatment. Then I recall the way Masters was reportedly interviewed by a couple of influential clubs before his appointment and the circumstances of the resignation of a previous incumbent. I struggle to see this regulatory body as one that can, automatically be relied on to act impartially, fairly and in good faith.

Forest, Everton and Leicester have already seen themselves pursued for PSR breaches with zeal, while Manchester United's vast losses are mitigated by deductions that, ostensibly, are puzzling in their magnitude. Newcastle and Villa have seen PSR used to stymie their hopes of challenging the supposed elite. Surely there'll be, at a minimum, a blocking minority against these draconian proposals?
 
There's no need for secrecy with VAR, either. Other sports manage to allow viewers and spectators to hear the deliberations when an on-field decision is referred to be determined with the assistance of video replays. The same point applies, really.

Anyway, in terms of its investigatory remit and ability to pursue disciplinary proceedings against clubs it suspects of committing breaches, the PL has long been trying to beef up its powers. I came across a copy on my PC of a version of the PL Handbook I'd downloaded several years ago and the rules differ noticeably from those in the current version. Off the top of my head, the right to appeal to the High Court on a point of law has now been excluded, and that whole section about assisting the regulator with obtaining evidence from third parties.

Both the changes I quote seem directly targeted at the investigation into MCFC, while the Panel's determination after our first APT hearing shows the organisation singling out our club for unduly onerous treatment. Then I recall the way Masters was reportedly interviewed by a couple of influential clubs before his appointment and the circumstances of the resignation of a previous incumbent. I struggle to see this regulatory body as one that can, automatically be relied on to act impartially, fairly and in good faith.

Forest, Everton and Leicester have already seen themselves pursued for PSR breaches with zeal, while Manchester United's vast losses are mitigated by deductions that, ostensibly, are puzzling in their magnitude. Newcastle and Villa have seen PSR used to stymie their hopes of challenging the supposed elite. Surely there'll be, at a minimum, a blocking minority against these draconian proposals?

I’m going to ask this question with my normal ignorance & willingness to learn.

What anti trust rules / anti competition rules are the premier league bound by?

It’s clear City feel they are targeted whilst their competition isn’t & I think they are pursuing this with the continued legal cases. Every time we get in a room, more comes out. It’s like if we continue asking “why” we’ll get to the reason of “stop City.”

An independent Football regulator would be bound by rules that the premier league wouldn’t I think but I’d imagine only in the areas that it is liable for. It seems that it would be better for the Premier league to own the competition & the regulator to manage the PSR / APT.
 
PL is struggling now to come up with new rules that limit City (and Newcastle) but dont cause issues to red cartel haha
this anchoring bullshit is another one specifically used against us, with our growing revenues and best current revenue in England shouldnt worth that much if its limited to anchoring whilst Uefa version is basically the higher the revenue the higher your can be without anchoring.

Masters need to be put on a lie detector. the machine would fucking jump bigger than a kangaroo.
pretty much what i was saying to someone yesterday , the red shirts are now being caught in the traps they planted to catch City in

they cant change their rules quick enough to catch City without destroying the premier league itself but City are still viewed as the bad boys
 
There's no need for secrecy with VAR, either. Other sports manage to allow viewers and spectators to hear the deliberations when an on-field decision is referred to be determined with the assistance of video replays. The same point applies, really.

Anyway, in terms of its investigatory remit and ability to pursue disciplinary proceedings against clubs it suspects of committing breaches, the PL has long been trying to beef up its powers. I came across a copy on my PC of a version of the PL Handbook I'd downloaded several years ago and the rules differ noticeably from those in the current version. Off the top of my head, the right to appeal to the High Court on a point of law has now been excluded, and that whole section about assisting the regulator with obtaining evidence from third parties.

Both the changes I quote seem directly targeted at the investigation into MCFC, while the Panel's determination after our first APT hearing shows the organisation singling out our club for unduly onerous treatment. Then I recall the way Masters was reportedly interviewed by a couple of influential clubs before his appointment and the circumstances of the resignation of a previous incumbent. I struggle to see this regulatory body as one that can, automatically be relied on to act impartially, fairly and in good faith.

Forest, Everton and Leicester have already seen themselves pursued for PSR breaches with zeal, while Manchester United's vast losses are mitigated by deductions that, ostensibly, are puzzling in their magnitude. Newcastle and Villa have seen PSR used to stymie their hopes of challenging the supposed elite. Surely there'll be, at a minimum, a blocking minority against these draconian proposals?

All good points, as always. Except that I wouldn't bet on a blocking minority against.

Here's a question, though. Is the PL actually a "regulator" as the term is used in the context of regulated industries? It has regulations that must be followed contractually, but that doesn't make it a regulator, does it?

The reason I ask is that some people keep saying that the PL should have reported fraud if it suspects it as some sort of reason why there is nothing in the allegations. My understanding is that there is no requirement to report suspected fraud unless it's in a regulated industry. Football isn't a regulated industry.

I may be wrong as usual, of course .....
 
All good points, as always. Except that I wouldn't bet on a blocking minority against.

Here's a question, though. Is the PL actually a "regulator" as the term is used in the context of regulated industries? It has regulations that must be followed contractually, but that doesn't make it a regulator, does it?

The reason I ask is that some people keep saying that the PL should have reported fraud if it suspects it as some sort of reason why there is nothing in the allegations. My understanding is that there is no requirement to report suspected fraud unless it's in a regulated industry. Football isn't a regulated industry.

I may be wrong as usual, of course .....

If it was a regulator they would have to be consistent & transparent.

(Hamptons principles - aim to ensure that regulatory actions are fair and justified, preventing arbitrary or unfair targeting of individuals or businesses)
 
It’s getting very clear that Madrid are pulling away.

We have managed to be ahead through good management and we got Haaland, but in general due to history, finances etc. if they want player (I.e. Wirtz they probably get them).

Now Barca are back on 1 to 1, I don’t think it will take them too long either (possibly a bit limited due to the levers).

One thing helping these clubs is how hampered the PL clubs are, United won’t be able to spend now, we’ve not really spent including our recent window, Liverpool don’t do that much and it’s only really Arsenal who have.

The PL competition is La Liga, the phase divide and conquer springs to mind, Except they did it to themselves.

If it not been for these rules, who knows Mbappe could have been @ Newcastle and we could have the majority of all the best players in the PL.

Now they want to limit the club who can compete with Madrid more with anchoring.

PL is one of English best exports, but it is in danger of losing that on Masters watch.

Who knows what Schdamore had planned, but I think he at least understood this part.
 
All good points, as always. Except that I wouldn't bet on a blocking minority against.

Here's a question, though. Is the PL actually a "regulator" as the term is used in the context of regulated industries? It has regulations that must be followed contractually, but that doesn't make it a regulator, does it?

The reason I ask is that some people keep saying that the PL should have reported fraud if it suspects it as some sort of reason why there is nothing in the allegations. My understanding is that there is no requirement to report suspected fraud unless it's in a regulated industry. Football isn't a regulated industry.

I may be wrong as usual, of course .....

Yes, it's not a regulated industry as such so I'm using the term descriptively given that it's the body exercising regulatory functions with regard to football and it's that role I'm discussing, so it just seems convenient shorthand. I suppose that if an independent regulator is appointed, it'll become a regulated industry, but for now I guess I'll have to use quasi-regulator.

I’m going to ask this question with my normal ignorance & willingness to learn.

What anti trust rules / anti competition rules are the premier league bound by?

It’s clear City feel they are targeted whilst their competition isn’t & I think they are pursuing this with the continued legal cases. Every time we get in a room, more comes out. It’s like if we continue asking “why” we’ll get to the reason of “stop City.”

An independent Football regulator would be bound by rules that the premier league wouldn’t I think but I’d imagine only in the areas that it is liable for. It seems that it would be better for the Premier league to own the competition & the regulator to manage the PSR / APT.

UK competition law prohibits agreements, arrangements and concerted business practices which are likely to prevent, restrict or distort competition. Should any rules be passed that unfairly target City, that potentially gives rise to an action.

However, it's worth noting that what we on here regard as unfairly targeting City may not be viewed in the same light in any litigation or in arbitration proceedings. Both the APT Tribunal and the High Court when matters in the so-called '115' case were referred to it took a more benign view of the PL and whether it acts in good faith than do I.
 
Yes, it's not a regulated industry as such so I'm using the term descriptively given that it's the body exercising regulatory functions with regard to football and it's that role I'm discussing, so it just seems convenient shorthand. I suppose that if an independent regulator is appointed, it'll become a regulated industry, but for now I guess I'll have to use quasi-regulator.



UK competition law prohibits agreements, arrangements and concerted business practices which are likely to prevent, restrict or distort competition. Should any rules be passed that unfairly target City, that potentially gives rise to an action.

However, it's worth noting that what we on here regard as unfairly targeting City may not be viewed in the same light in any litigation or in arbitration proceedings. Both the APT Tribunal and the High Court when matters in the so-called '115' case were referred to it took a more benign view of the PL and whether it acts in good faith than do I.

Agreed & I think that’s why we go again. I think City’s strategy could be keep pushing until the gotcha moment becomes clear. (Wtf do I know ;)
 
It is important to note that despite the qualifications of the panel, it is not bound to British law
I'm no legal expert but how does your bit in italics tie-in with :

Section X : Arbitration
X.2.3 - that the issues in each such arbitration shall be decided in accordance with English law

(from the 24/25 PL Handbook)
 

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