PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Yes, I assumed any sanction wouldn't be applied until it was appealed. Possibly wrongly, I suppose.

But, if it's true the hearing is first considering liability without sanction, then there would have to be a second hearing on sanctions (if required). I am struggling to see how they could do that before this season is closed with the publication the new rulebook for next season (normally after the June meeting isn't it?).

Especially if the liability decision can be appealed for yet another hearing and, possibly, in the worst case a subsequent tribunal.

Anyway, no-one really knows anything, do they .... we just have to be patient and wait.
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I get all that. My question to @Psychedelic Casual was more general. When is the deadline (typically) for any sanction to be applied to the ongoing season, rather than the next one.
 
Coatigan said:
I get all that. My question to @Psychedelic Casual was more general. When is the deadline (typically) for any sanction to be applied to the ongoing season, rather than the next one.
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Like pretty much everything else the do the PL will make it up as they go along.
 
halfcenturyup said:
:) The AGM that votes out relegated members and votes in promoted members is in June. I would imagine that is the real deadline.
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It used to be the case that say you entered an insolvency before a certain date a) would apply or after b) would apply.
The PL rules talk about entering such an event and get a 9 point deduction but there isn’t a cut off date so I suspect you are right.
I know it’s been said that there will need to be liability determined before sanction( if any) is it a given that the result of the first hearing be put into the public domain ?
Ok I know that would require maintenance of confidentiality but I am struggling to see how a process now fits with season 24/25.If the finding is one of guilt on any charge which leads to a sport sanction it would surely have to be for 25/26
 
terraloon said:
It used to be the case that say you entered an insolvency before a certain date a) would apply or after b) would apply.
The PL rules talk about entering such an event and get a 9 point deduction but there isn’t a cut off date so I suspect you are right.
I know it’s been said that there will need to be liability determined before sanction( if any) is it a given that the result of the first hearing be put into the public domain ?
Ok I know that would require maintenance of confidentiality but I am struggling to see how a process now fits with season 24/25.If the finding is one of guilt on any charge which leads to a sport sanction it would surely have to be for 25/26
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Surely if get top 5, will apply this season, is miss top 5, will apply next season. Or am I being wrongly cynical
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes, I assumed any sanction wouldn't be applied until it was appealed. Possibly wrongly, I suppose.

But, if it's true the hearing is first considering liability without sanction, then there would have to be a second hearing on sanctions (if required). I am struggling to see how they could do that before this season is closed with the publication the new rulebook for next season (normally after the June meeting isn't it?).

Especially if the liability decision can be appealed for yet another hearing and, possibly, in the worst case a subsequent tribunal.

Anyway, no-one really knows anything, do they .... we just have to be patient and wait.
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Given the historical nature of the changes- won’t any sanctions have to be in line with the rules in place at that time ? Surely an offence committed in 2010 would need to be dealt with under the 2010 rules and guidelines and no default to 2025.
 
nmc said:
Given the historical nature of the changes- won’t any sanctions have to be in line with the rules in place at that time ? Surely an offence committed in 2010 would need to be dealt with under the 2010 rules and guidelines and no default to 2025.
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It largely doesn’t matter as most of the powers are the same - the Commission powers have been broadly the same since at least 2009.

But I’d think that the breaches relate to the rules of the time and the rules of the investigation and Tribunal are those of the time when it started - so probably 2018.

In short, the Tribunal can do what it likes.
 
nmc said:
Given the historical nature of the changes- won’t any sanctions have to be in line with the rules in place at that time ? Surely an offence committed in 2010 would need to be dealt with under the 2010 rules and guidelines and no default to 2025.
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Yes, I imagine any 2010 breach would be judged against the 2010 rulebook.

Any sanction, though, will be applied now. I don't think there is any precedent for applying points deductions to earlier years, for example. Although that might not stop the PL trying if it ever gets that far .....
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes, I imagine any 2010 breach would be judged against the 2010 rulebook.

Any sanction, though, will be applied now. I don't think there is any precedent for applying points deductions to earlier years, for example. Although that might not stop the PL trying if it ever gets that far .....
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If we do get a points deduction I’m OK with it being for 2009-10 or 2010-11!
 
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