PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Has tolmie had a good record on transfer info in recent years? Trying to work out how much I trust his info on the case.

Stopped clock etc.

 

[Ducado]

Has tolmie had a good record on transfer info in recent years? Trying to work out how much I trust his info on the case.

I believe he gets good lines of club gossip some is pretty spot on some is way off the mark

 

[FanchesterCity]

In terms of mancini, these are the alleged rules that were broken:
In respect of:
(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely:
(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7 and Q.8; and
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7 and P.8;

This looks like there was some rule in place at the time about showing full manager renumeration.
I'll try and find what q7 and q8 actually say.

The commonly held view is that Mancini was paid 'on the side' via a deal to provide consulting services to another company.
However any manager can do a bit of work on the side and the details of the 3rd party contracts are unknown to the club.
Even if they are known and deemed 'relevant' they are not contracts formed by the club therefore the word 'its' is a problem for our accusers.
If the PL still believe that any club who is even aware of a 3rd party contract should declare that knowledge it is still unrealistic to assume they know the remuneration details or other particulars.


Imagine a manager having a contract with a newspaper to write a column. That contract states they will receive between 500k and 800k depending on subscriber figures and that the pay will increase between 5% and 10% per annum based on company and personal performance...

How are the PL going to determine his pay? Do they expect to see the managers personal bank account or the newspaper accounts?

 

[1961_vintage]

Has tolmie had a good record on transfer info in recent years? Trying to work out how much I trust his info on the case.

Not bad, but he's no @kiam06

 

[halfcenturyup]

Good summary thank you.
Re Fordham - it maybe very uncomfortable ground for the PL to sanction City on the basis that there are other PL clubs who were operating similar schemes which the HMRC took a much more negative view of. City were not fined by HMRC - so City’s lawyers will almost certainly call that out as unreasonable - if they are not investigating or charging Newcastle or the Rags.

The thing with the image rights allegations is that we don't know for sure to what it relates.

It may relate to Fordham, in which case I think the PL's allegations would be about revenue recorded in 2012/13 (in their view wrongly) and expenses not "recorded" in subsequent years (in their view wrongly). But I do think Fordham was an arrangement unique to City. Other clubs I think entered into arrangements to structure individual players' images rights in a fiscally convenient manner. City may also have done this for players not part of Fordham and cleared it with HMRC, but I think Fordham itself is something else.

Or it may relate to Yaya Toure as some press have suggested, in which case I have no idea what is going on :)

In any case, the seasons covered by the player contract allegations start in 2010/11 (well before Fordham started, and actually when Toure started) and end in 2015/16 (well before the investigation started). What it all means, I have no idea. :D

If you have any thoughts, let me know.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The commonly held view is that Mancini was paid 'on the side' via a deal to provide consulting services to another company.
However any manager can do a bit of work on the side and the details of the 3rd party contracts are unknown to the club.
Even if they are known and deemed 'relevant' they are not contracts formed by the club therefore the word 'its' is a problem for our accusers.
If the PL still believe that any club who is even aware of a 3rd party contract should declare that knowledge it is still unrealistic to assume they know the remuneration details or other particulars.


Imagine a manager having a contract with a newspaper to write a column. That contract states they will receive between 500k and 800k depending on subscriber figures and that the pay will increase between 5% and 10% per annum based on company and personal performance...

How are the PL going to determine his pay? Do they expect to see the managers personal bank account or the newspaper accounts?

Edit: This is from the current handbook to show how the PL expects external remuneration to be reported.

There was no such requirement in the rules when Mancini was here.

 

[Sid Snott]

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Was Mancini City "manager" or was he City "first team COACH"
It's a play on words Wilson.

 

[hammocity]

I remember listening to Ornstein on a podcast about 4 years ago and he said ‘my information is that Pep will leave at the end of the season’ few weeks later he signed a new contract.

He's a smug arrogant **** when he's on the Back Page slot on SSN, I reckon he's one of those who wears stockings and suspenders underneath his Farrah's, slimy fucker.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I’ve had a good look through your post history and the vast majority of your posts are negative about City and City fans.

This classic included:

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You talk utter shite and tbh, I’m doubting if you even support City. Something stinks about your posts - they drip with insincerity and I don’t think it’s a coincidence you turned up when the charges dropped.

Of course he’s not a blue, jeez, can’t have taken you that long surely?

 

[South Stand Balti]

It’s gone for me what does it say pls?

It says Masters is about to lose his job, but he isn't.