PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[meltonblue]

(Just read this again before posting. Maybe I should have put it in a DM, but maybe someone, somewhere is interested. If you didn't like the post I am replying to, you should probably skip this).

Nothing wrong with disagreeing and you don't deserve the stick you get on here, even if you may expect it on a rival fans' forum on a particularly sensitive issue.

On Mancini, do we agree this?
* The original intent of the AJ contract was to tie Mancini down when he couldn't sign a full-time contract and other clubs were sniffing around?
* There was no FFP when Mancini was here, certainly not when he was signed?
* There was no PL requirement to include all a manager's remuneration until after Mancini left?

If we do, how can the PL show deliberate concealment (with intent) in those circumstances?

As for reducing the threshold for deliberate concealment because it's a small amount, I would be very surprised if that happens. Each allegation will be judged on its own merits, imho, not on its size in relation to the others.

On Fordham, I should probably say first that I am assuming the player contract issue in the allegations is, in fact, Fordham. We don't know, of course, and there are other murmurings in the press that it is to do with Yaya Toure's image rights. The seasons covered by the allegations cover 2010/11 to 2015/6, well before Fordham, so this could support the Toure suggestion (he started in 2010). Maybe it's a combination of both. Anyway, about the timing, the last season the allegations cover is 2015/16. Why? Maybe Fordham was wound down by then (although Fordham's accounts suggest not) or maybe Toure's contract was changed.

My point, though, is that if we can agree:
* the player contract issue relates to Fordham
* the Fordham arrangement wasn't deliberately concealed
* the allegations stop in the 2015/6 season,

then Fordham is, clearly, time limited. (I also didn't like the way you determined materiality either, but for the sake of brevity, I will let it pass).

I will, however, grant you that all the uncertainty/ lack of information over Fordham/Toure could lead to some surprises. It is the allegation I am least comfortable with, just because of how little we actually know.

So, I suppose we will continue to disagree, and that's fine.

Not sure I agree with your first point there, I’ve seen it said a few times and not sure where it comes from. The only contract in the public domain, Mancini signed with Al Jazira the same day he signed with us.

 

[Ducado]

You don't hear from him now. Funny that.

The United fans did a massive petition because of his Liverpool bias

 

[Ducado]

The hearing hasn't happened yet so there have been no hard arguments.

No indication at all that anything will happen this summer. It's likely that the hearing is in Autumn and the decision in 2025.

Read somewhere yesterday, maybe Orstein, that they're only just preparing witness statements.

I doubt there will be witness statements it’s a tribunal not a court of law, there will be a lot of documents to read through

 

[halfcenturyup]

Not sure I agree with your first point there, I’ve seen it said a few times and not sure where it comes from. The only contract in the public domain, Mancini signed with Al Jazira the same day he signed with us.

Fair enough, but just because it's not in the public domain doesn't mean it isn't true. Really, though, I am just piecing things together from what I remember being discussed at the time. And I only really have two pieces of evidence to back it up. A Guardian article from just after his appointment saying Mancini and Khaldoon had an existing relationship (where would he have got that) and a comment from Savage (who knew Mancini, of course, from his time at Leicester) saying Mancini had been advising Mansour in the UAE. I may be wrong, of course. I am old. I misremember things from last week, let alone 15 years ago :) We will find out soon enough, I guess.

Not that it changes the main point that FFP didn't exist when the Mancini contracts were signed, so it wasn't an attempt to circumvent anything, unless there was a four year forward planning for such a small amount. Unlikely I think.

 

[I'm Blue]

Once this is over do we know which club is due next to be investigated as deeply as City ?

Probably us again.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Who were them two bitter cunts on Sunday supplement about 14 years ago, going on about City being morally bankrupt before the Fulham away match I think.

 

[meltonblue]

Fair enough, but just because it's not in the public domain doesn't mean it isn't true. Really, though, I am just piecing things together from what I remember being discussed at the time. And I only really have two pieces of evidence to back it up. A Guardian article from just after his appointment saying Mancini and Khaldoon had an existing relationship (where would he have got that) and a comment from Savage (who knew Mancini, of course, from his time at Leicester, of course) saying Mancini had been advising Mansour in the UAE. I may be wrong, of course. I am old. I misremember things from last week, let alone 15 years ago :) We will find out soon enough, I guess.

Not that it changes the main point that FFP didn't exist when the Mancini contracts were signed, so it wasn't an attempt to circumvent anything, unless there was a four year forward planning for such a small amount. Unlikely I think.

Yeah it might well be true, just I’ve never seen it backed up. When Mancini signed with us, he said he’d only spoken to Khaldoon a couple of times before.

 

[manimanc]

Once this is over do we know which club is due next to be investigated as deeply as City ?

I've said the same. The Premier League going for us must mean, apart from Forest and Everton, the rest of these clubs are absolutely squeaky clean.

 

[Fordyboy46]

Who were them two bitter cunts on Sunday supplement about 14 years ago, going on about City being morally bankrupt before the Fulham away match I think.

Rob Beasley and some gooner can't remember his name. Pissed myself when they said who the fuck are David Silva and Yaya Tourwey, we've signed two duffers there. Oh how the eggs were left smothered on their cockney mugs

 

[cheekybids]

Fair enough, but just because it's not in the public domain doesn't mean it isn't true. Really, though, I am just piecing things together from what I remember being discussed at the time. And I only really have two pieces of evidence to back it up. A Guardian article from just after his appointment saying Mancini and Khaldoon had an existing relationship (where would he have got that) and a comment from Savage (who knew Mancini, of course, from his time at Leicester, of course) saying Mancini had been advising Mansour in the UAE. I may be wrong, of course. I am old. I misremember things from last week, let alone 15 years ago :) We will find out soon enough, I guess.

Not that it changes the main point that FFP didn't exist when the Mancini contracts were signed, so it wasn't an attempt to circumvent anything, unless there was a four year forward planning for such a small amount. Unlikely I think.

I thought it was part of the story how we disrespected Hughes that Mancini had been already consulting in the UAE.