PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Dubai Blue said:
If it's any consolation, the bold part just isn't true in my experience. I travel widely and hardly ever see or hear it mentioned, other than from other English people (and even then it's only from fans of the same 3 teams). Don't let the fuckers get you down.
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Agreed.

Independent international fans love City's style,players and achievements.

It's the gormless ignoramus’s,fuelled by a hateful & racist media, that spout unsubstantiated diarrhea !!
 
The one thing I hope for if we are cleared is that we go after any person or organisation that has been libellous and that means anyone from Brent to top rag writers.

Probably won’t happen but will have eased what we have all been through.

As others have said this isn’t just affecting our club anymore it’s actually affecting fans everyday life.

The dippers would have made up some rule and got it through parliament in a week.

As a guy born in the 60s I fucking hate what this country has turned into but the one thing I can enjoy is my team finally being able to compete with anyone.

I’ve tried to look through the cartel fans eyes with the charges and asked myself would I be any different to them.

Probably not if I’m honest but I wouldn’t make it an obsession.

Is this how the dippers feel with their closed shop mentality?

The one thing we are going to have to accept that the damage the mainstream media have done will last long after the verdict finally arrives.

Thanks to the cartel and their obsession for power and money even if we are cleared the mission will be complete.

Remember when football was just a game?
 
dickie davies said:
Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter
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"He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter"

Sorry mate, that proves fuck all!
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bridgeno1 said:
I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.
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Sounds like you believe the media about City. 20pt deduction wtf. We are getting nothing like that. Its either our owners go to jail or the PL lose massively.

So where did you hear its likely to be JUST 20pt deduction?

And name the charges. They're out there, name one and explain it.
 
dickie davies said:
Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter
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So he’s a £10 pom
 
dickie davies said:
Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter
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One doesnt necessarily pertain to the other, being a regional manager of anything doesnt stop you from being stupid in other areas in any way shape or form, you could be an absolute genius of a builder but that doesnt mean you know complex financial accounting laws. This is nothing to do with being stupid or not stupid as i said yesterday its confirmation bias in its purest form, the red top fans and other fans need us to be guilty because anything less would upset the natural order of things and we cant have that.

As i have said multiple times the red tops through their press friends have been told time and time again that they are special, that they are more important, that this means more and every single other piece of bollocks that you have heard over your entire life and the very idea that a club that isnt one of them could take what they hold so dear just by being better run, by having better ideas and not subscribing to the idea that we should know our place and cow tow to them would destroy them to their very core because they would have face the idea that they are not special and just like every other club and this doesnt mean more and nobody gives a fuck if you are manchester united or not, so the fact that we are better has to be because we have been cheating, it just has to be, they need it in the same way the goc needs his gallon of whiskey to get him through the day.

All of this is just an echo chamber of people shouting the same nonsense back and forward because its what they need to hear to make them feel better about themselves and they ignore any kind of rationale or critical thinking because it doesnt fit with what they want, its something they are experts at you only have to look at the way they treat the actual sport where they constantly bleat on about how great they are and everything is against them and that they never spend any money etc etc with literally zero evidence to understand why they are the way are about the charges.
 
bridgeno1 said:
I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.
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You couldn’t resist any longer, get it off your chest, like Piers Morgan your ranting is delusional coming on Bluemoon is like therapy and only ends up one way.
 
Bluemoon230989 said:
"He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter"

Sorry mate, that proves fuck all!
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I've known him for over thirty years and he's a really lovely fella
I was absolutely gobsmacked when Abbie told me about his message, especially with him working in finance and his knowledge of money laundering and fraud etc
But it proves the point about 115 charges and guilt that @Stephen.spcostman.co.uk made that it is becoming the narrative around the globe
 
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