PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[BlueAnorak]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

Well yes Masters is trying to do a deal - but the rumour at our end is very definately that, as there is no actual evidence, just the equivalent of hearsay, that City have told Masters to shove the deal up where the sun doesn't shine.
You only need to look at the confidence of various City board members when interviewed that the PL case is in deep, deep trouble.
6 emails taken out-of-context from over 3 million does NOT a strong legal case make.
One has to wonder why Masters and the PL brought the maximum possible charges forward?
The answer, of course, is they were forced to by the Cartel clubs that run English football.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

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He said: '(broadcaster) TNT - no 12:30 discussion; referees; we don't talk about Man City - don't know why; we don't talk about financial things - don't know why; VAR'.

Compere for the evening John Bishop then questioned Klopp on what might happen should the Reds find themselves two league titles the richer should an ongoing investigation into Manchester City strip them of their crowns.

City are currently being investigated over 115 alleged charges of breaching Premier League financial rules, though the club has repeatedly and vehemently denied them.

Klopp said: 'If you organise a bus parade I'm in. How long it takes, I don't care how long.'

John Bishop and Klopp on the same stage? Be like Shergar interviewing Red Rum that!

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Ignore list has had a couple of editions from the last few pages....

 

[Chappie]

You're reading that 'the mask has slipped' into all that? Sorry but that's just paranoid on your part.

For what it's worth I think if you've got money to invest in your own football team you should be able to do so however you choose fit. The point I was trying to make was that at the end of the day, talk of relegations is wide of the mark and that my feeling is that a deal will be cut behind the scenes so that everyone can move on. The reasons for this are 2-fold. Firstly so City can move forward so it will be in their interests to bring it to a close ASAP. But secondly it's hardly in the PL's interests for City to be found guilty of the most severe charges. PL football is a highly marketable brand - not going to look good if its prize asset of the last decade gets slapped with massive penalties and makes it look like the PL has been presiding over a dogs dinner. Money talks at the end of the day in big business.

There will be no deal as it will allow people to carry on the smear campaign, which we have endured for the last 10 years.
The Cas ruling cleared City of all chargeses except the non cooperation one.
The ruling from that committee, stated there was no evidence of any wrong doing on any of the chargeses brought up by UEFA and that included the one that were time barred.
You and the media have chosen to ignore that ruling as it does not suit your agenda.
Instead of coming on here pontificating, go and read the Cas ruling and count the times the words " no evidence was found "
When you get to double figures, let that sink in and reflect that you might just be wrong in your assumptions.
And whilst you are still here,what are your views on your club being sponsored by the Emirates organisation and your view's on your clubs, Rwanda agreement and how did you feel about Mr Usminov owning a stake in your club ?
Or the gentleman who's wealth was founded on exploiting cheap labour in Africa ?

 

[Coatigan]

Don’t know why anyone was fooled by him.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt, and was happy to. Ah well.

I don't have an issue with people jumping to believe we are guilty, ahead of the process happening. It is annoying, it is premature, but it is open to speculation and with how it is all presented hard to resist I guess.

But I do absolutely have an issue with declaring us guilty at the uefa case, when innocence has clearly been determined. Being selective and dishonest with that, is just not on. Next he'll be telling us 'well you did get fined €10m, so you Were kinda guilty', straight out of the Simon Jordan handbook for twattery.

 

[eastmanc]

Oh come on! Another chance to hear how poooower he was as a kid. Hilarious annectdotes. Best since Stan Boardman. Side splitting.

How bad was Stan Boardman?

 

[BlueAnorak]

The minute City say anything it will be in breach, the PL will have their escape route, so we can expect a lot more goading, a very lot more of Masters saying soon but not giving a date. even the dates out now are just media baiting.

So true.
Great Post.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

[bridgeno1]

Sounds like you believe the media about City. 20pt deduction wtf. We are getting nothing like that. Its either our owners go to jail or the PL lose massively.

So where did you hear its likely to be JUST 20pt deduction?

And name the charges. They're out there, name one and explain it.

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

 

[eastmanc]

There will be no deal as it will allow people to carry on the smear campaign, which we have endured for the last 10 years.
The Cas ruling cleared City of all chargeses except the non cooperation one.
The ruling from that committee, stated there was no evidence of any wrong doing on any of the chargeses brought up by UEFA and that included the one that were time barred.
You and the media have chosen to ignore that ruling as it does not suit your agenda.
Instead of coming on here pontificating, go and read the Cas ruling and count the times the words " no evidence was found "
When you get to double figures, let that sink in and reflect that you might just be wrong in your assumptions.
And whilst you are still here,what are your views on your club being sponsored by the Emirates organisation and your view's on your clubs, Rwanda agreement and how did you feel about Mr Usminov owning a stake in your club ?
Or the gentleman who's wealth was founded on exploiting cheap labour in Africa ?

The phrase stones and glass houses comes to mind.

 

[Centurions]

It's a shame this total tophat is getting such exposure on here, but thoroughly understandable at the same time. We're all seeking information about the case and then this asswipe appears. Seems his cover has been blown though. Hopefully he'll skulk off but I'm pretty sure he'll be back.

But everything he bases his conclusions on (which were already formed of course) is old information that was already in the public domain (for literally years). Ignore Harris (or whoever it may be).