PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Didsbury Dave said:
That doesn't make the opposite true.

I'm not saying anything about City's guilt or inoocence. I don't know. But given how far this has come I think the likelihood of a "This was an entirely baseless witch hunt by other clubs" is pretty low.
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It reminds me very much of the oft attributed to Mark Twain quote that “it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

It’s a saying for our times and, I don’t believe, it’s ever been truer.
It’s relied on by every politician and almost every journalist and goes to the heart of many of today’s problems.
It’s why people who’ve been scammed are more likely to be victims in the future and why, in the face of overwhelming evidence, people double down on previous positions.
It’s also why 95% of journalists (and other UK football fans) can’t countenance we might just be innocent of these charges as they’ve bought into it all, hook, line and sinker
They’re so far down the rabbit hole that, even if they ever do consider a not guilty verdict might apply, they then immediately caveat it with ‘government interference’ or ‘brown envelopes’.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It reminds me very much of the oft attributed to Mark Twain quote that “it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

It’s a saying for our times and, I don’t believe, it’s ever been truer.
It’s relied on by every politician and almost every journalist and goes to the heart of many of today’s problems.
It’s why people who’ve been scammed are more likely to be victims in the future and why, in the face of overwhelming evidence, people double down on previous positions.
It’s also why 95% of journalists (and other UK football fans) can’t countenance we might just be innocent of these charges as they’ve bought into it all, hook, line and sinker
They’re so far down the rabbit hole that, even if they ever do consider a not guilty verdict might apply, they then immediately caveat it with ‘government interference’ or ‘brown envelopes’.
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Yes, I'm aware of this quote and concept. The psychology behind it is that if you admit to yourself you were fooled, you admit you are a fool and people can't do that. The post Brexit reaction is the best example of it in my lifetime. There's also no doubt to me that you're right about the non-City football world making mass assumptions and also that whatever happens they will stick to them. Bot I'm expressing concern here that a lot of Blues on this thread have gone the entire other way. They've convinced themselves that City will come out of this and "go nuclear" on everyone in football - the press, the FA, other club owners etc. I think a lot of posters are deluding themselves based on very little.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yes, I'm aware of this quote and concept. The psychology behind it is that if you admit to yourself you were fooled, you admit you are a fool and people can't do that. The post Brexit reaction is the best example of it in my lifetime. There's also no doubt to me that you're right about the non-City football world making mass assumptions and also that whatever happens they will stick to them. Bot I'm expressing concern here that a lot of Blues on this thread have gone the entire other way. They've convinced themselves that City will come out of this and "go nuclear" on everyone in football - the press, the FA, other club owners etc. I think a lot of posters are deluding themselves based on very little.
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If we are substantially cleared at least one journalist will have a melt down. They will be legalled, make a public apology, and pay a substantial donation to charity. Every other article will continue with loose criticism and include an allegedly. This case was always about damaging the club through whatever means necessary and it has already succeeded
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yes, I'm aware of this quote and concept. The psychology behind it is that if you admit to yourself you were fooled, you admit you are a fool and people can't do that. The post Brexit reaction is the best example of it in my lifetime. There's also no doubt to me that you're right about the non-City football world making mass assumptions and also that whatever happens they will stick to them. Bot I'm expressing concern here that a lot of Blues on this thread have gone the entire other way. They've convinced themselves that City will come out of this and "go nuclear" on everyone in football - the press, the FA, other club owners etc. I think a lot of posters are deluding themselves based on very little.
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Not sure what going nuclear would look like. Its easy to say it would be the death of the Premier League if City were cleared, but what the fuck would I watch on Saturday then? And Sunday. And every other day of the week that they can shoehorn a game in ;)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
That doesn't make the opposite true.

I'm not saying anything about City's guilt or inoocence. I don't know. But given how far this has come I think the likelihood of a "This was an entirely baseless witch hunt by other clubs" is pretty low.
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While i can see your reasoning does it not beg the question that following the cas verdict what other possible reason could there be ESPECIALLY given the free passes that they have given to other clubs not to mention their implementation of illegal rules during the APT case.

It is patently clear that we are dealt with too a different standard than the chosen view and thats not me with my blue tinted glasses thats just objectively looking at facts.
 
Stoned Rose said:
The stuff you’re posting is very modern. The Jamaican teenagers probably love it but their parents probably say “shite this, not like the old days” :). To me it sounds too computerised and has none of that old time rawness the stuff I’ve grown up on has but each to their own my bredda :)
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it is modern, yeah, that's precisely why i posted it.

in terms of what you are saying above,
i completely agree,
and i'd like to maybe talk a little about the parallels of it with punk.

alas, time is against me.
i've been invited to go to the sultan's palace today.
and fuck knows why but i've agreed to go there by camel.
there's a perfectly decent small road on which a taxi would take 20mins,
but we're going the long way round over the dunes,
giving it the full lawrence of arabia bollox,
and i have a feeling one of us is going to regret it.

in the meantime,
may i ask you about your distinction between reggae and dancehall?

for me the term reggae is an umbrella that covers all the genres.
dancehall, roots, dub, lovers, rocksteady, et cetara.
i'm interested to know your reasoning.







for now...

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Cobwebcat said:
“It says much that people in the game have started to refer to the collapse of the Chinese espionage trial, and wondered whether there will be government involvement given the geopolitical dimensions though the club’s Abu Dhabi ownership”Yes you could be right. I didn’t understand it to be honest.

That hints perhaps that he thinks we will be found innocent because the Government has stepped in? Is that a thing that could happen? Can the Government do that? Or is it more likely he will use that as an excuse if we are found innocent?
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You are absolutely correct on the two highlighted parts. The **** knows exactly what he’s doing.

The fact he’s conflated two separate proceedings, in two entirely extraneous legal jurisdictions, and speculated about the outcome of the first in order to make an inference about the second, operating as nothing short of a non-sequitur, shows how desperate the **** is to manage the narrative on an outcome he plainly knows is coming.

It’s funny when the **** was previously pontificating in terms of ‘no smoke without fire’ I don’t recall him speculating about the government of the day wading in and saving the day for City. Strange how he’s crowbarring it in at this stage.

Thing about Delaney, is that he plainly thinks he’s a lot smarter then he is, but his conspicuous inability to think analytically about the arguments he is formulating is nothing short of pitiful.

Braindead fucking ****.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
If we are substantially cleared at least one journalist will have a melt down. They will be legalled, make a public apology, and pay a substantial donation to charity. Every other article will continue with loose criticism and include an allegedly. This case was always about damaging the club through whatever means necessary and it has already succeeded
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I agree.. the outcome is largely irrelevant as the damage was done long ago
 
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