PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[domalino]

Can you chase the cash please. Still not arrived.

Can any of us get in on this? I can’t comment on Reddit or Twitter without being called a paid shill and I’m starting to feel left out.

 

[blueparrot]

Not really much point in Stefan turning up a) because Jordan has a closed mind, and b) nothing has actually changed since he was last in the studio.

He isn't there to change Jordans mind, just to state the facts to counter what Jordan says.Agree though it's a bit tedious now though because nothing will change for months, but as long as TS want to keep repeating the same thing it will carry on.Then again same could be said of this thread.

 

[Pelegrinni]

He was so 'calm' he failed to counter any of Jordan's anti City bullshit.

Simon kept interrupting him whenever he tried to counter.

 

[HorlockofFiretopMountain]

I had a discussion a while ago (yes, pretty much everything has been discussed in this thread) about how money in the UAE moves around the various government agencies and their investments and even the suppliers of their investments.

It seems it isn't unusual for monies for payee companies to be transferred in one amount to a particular supplier directly from the government agencies. And then the accounting sorts itself out. Maybe someone who knows the region better than I do can confirm that?

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the confusion over funding and apparent explanations in emails relate to such payments from government agencies which seem very obscure and convoluted to a western mindset, but are perfectly normal and more convenient in a middle eastern mindset. It could even be possible that Mansour's personal wealth is handled by a government agency. I suppose it's possible that it took a few years for all that to be clarified and sorted into a more "western" procedure for the people at the club to get a better handle on

Just a thought.

May, of course, be complete bollocks.

I have lurked in the background and followed the conversations for a long while now. Not sure why I thought to join in now, but here I am.

Interesting thoughts. The idea of moving money around and funnelling foreign currency in through a single account isn't so fanciful, many companies do this as a way of protecting the value of their cash.

In fact (and you may already know this) a couple of the emails refer to these ideas. There is one which mentions a payment from Etisalat to ADUG and another which mentions moving money between accounts (albeit GBP to Euros) to hedge against currency fluctuations.

 

[Stoned Rose]

The only way we settle is if we are guilty of any of the charges, the club are adamant we are not.

Jordan back to being a **** again I see with his usual bullshit analogies of "Enron", "Case to answer", "Sunlight is the best disinfectant". I note he didn't make any quips about the cost of barristers this time when Stefan informed him of the fucking size of the PL legal team which is probably twice the size of City's. Does he really expect this Independent Commission to reach a finding that ALL of City's witnesses, respected and world renowned business people who rely on honesty, integrity, business acumen and decades of international business experience, including our owner, a member of the Royal Family of Abu Dhabi and deputy Prime Minister, are all liars and the evidence we produce must therefore be fabricated. That would be somewhat of a Pandoras box to open would it not?

So now the game is not necessarily about the truth, it's the PL's advocates' ability to try and find inconsistencies in the statements of City's witnesses. Is that shorthand for "prove they are mistaken or lying"? and I would suppose these mistakes or lies must be, to a "material degree". This is where litigation can be dangerous in respect of the burden of proof being only on the "balance of probability". They are likely to seize on anything that cannot be substantiated and try and expand that.

"So Mr Haaland, you cannot remember what time you went to the toilet on the morning of Sunday 22nd September! Yet you expect us to believe you distinctly remember slotting the ball past Mr Raya, at (pause whilst he dons some pince nez spectacles on the end of a keychain and peers at a copy of the witness statement before him) at the ehhem Etihad stadium? I put it to you Mr Haaland that if you cannot remember such an obvious act of micturition or what time it took place then you can hardly expect this panel to believe you can remember clearly anything that happened on that particular day, wouldn't you agree? - I know but you get my drift!

Regarding the most serious charges, I'm still trying hard to wrap my head around the fact that if we produce sufficient evidence (by means of a documented and an unimpeachable audit trail for the money - both amounts where necessary, in every year) to prove the money to pay for the Etihad sponsorship did not come from our owner but came from Etihad's accounts, no matter which ones, associated with the company. That alone should be sufficient to exsanguinate the PL argument of owner equity investment? Can we not simply do that?

I cannot conceive they have sufficient evidence to prove fraud, mistake or concealment to open up the path to matters normally time barred either.
Would the Commission be asked to make such a finding prior to any evidence in those matters being heard? Otherwise weeks of the hearing could be spent on matters which would be ruled as outside of the time limits set by the Limitation Act 1980.

I also wonder in relation to the exception at 32(1) that reasonable argument could be made that the PL have been receiving copies of our accounts every year and could indeed, at any times in the years since the institution of the FFP rules, with reasonable diligence have discovered our alleged dishonesty being as their allegations are that it is so massive as to warrant 129 charges over a decade.

5 Time limit for actions founded on simple contract.​

An action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued

32 Postponement of limitation period in case of fraud, concealment or mistake.​

(1) Subject to (Issues) below, where in the case of any action for which a period of limitation is prescribed by this Act, either—

(a) the action is based upon the fraud* of the defendant; or

(b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff’s right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or

(c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;

the period of limitation shall not begin to run until the plaintiff has discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake (as the case may be) or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it

Collins
* countable noun
A fraud is something or someone that deceives people in a way that is illegal or dishonest.

Exsanguinate?

@gordondaviesmoustache to the thread.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Jordan back to being a **** again and peddling conspiracy theories about the panel. I’d also like him to explain what the inconsistencies were in the witness statements given to CAS.
How Stefan manages to keep so calm in the face of such confrontational bullshit is beyond me!

When this is all over, I'm not one of those that wants to see City start getting legal on these journalists and presenters. However if this stupid 2hat doesn't desist, I would love to see City grind him into the ground.

 

[madloaf]

I know you're not there to defend City. I know you're there to promote yourself. Absolutely no problem with that. In fact it makes your opinions even more valuable to people like me because it means your one of the few people worth listening to.

I'll stress, once again, my gratitude to people like you for sharing your expertise with us, but the fact remains the TS studio is not an environment you're able to thrive in. You are too measured, too polite, too slow to compete with those bastards.

Your strength is the written word and an environment where you have time to make your points to people who will give you a fair hearing.

My only concern is Manchester City, not your hurt feelings about being taken to the cleaners on national radio, yet again.

Fully braced for another thread ban for having the temerity to say anything negative about you, but I stand by the points I've made.

Never wrestle with a pig; you'll both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I understand that however if Mancini is on board and has had an adequate briefing by our barrister
His evidence completely blows the PL out of the water and takes away the integrity re that allegation

What integrity? There was never any there in the first place to take away.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Not earning a living from Talksport I can promise you that!

Have you considered a drink driving ban?

 

[nu774ll]

What I love most about the PL is they let Thaksin take over and nearly ruin the club and would have just left us to go bankrupt, but as soon as investment comes in and brings money into the team and league it’s cheating.

Should a shoddly run establishment