PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

Do we have any Wright Bros Kitty Hawk Bluemooners?

No, but my great grandfather was a Charles Fletcher who was an aviator from Manchester, one of the first to get something up in the air, at Platt Fields iirc. He made his own rotary engines (cue Wankel jokes). John Alcock was an assistant of his for a while before teaming up with Brown.

 

[NZBlue]

No, but my great grandfather was a Charles Fletcher who was an aviator from Manchester, one of the first to get something up in the air, at Platt Fields iirc. He made his own rotary engines (cue Wankel jokes). John Alcock was an assistant of his for a while before teaming up with Brown.

Aviation Photo #2388821: Empress Aviation Empress Pusher Biplane - Untitled (Charles Fletcher)

This pusher biplane was built by Charles Fletcher's Empress Aviation Company in Manchester in 1910. It utilised features of the Farman designs and its engine was a close copy of the Gnome. It made several short hops at Manchester's racecourse before being taken to Brooklands. Fletcher was sued...

www.airliners.net

 

[halfcenturyup]

Aviation Photo #2388821: Empress Aviation Empress Pusher Biplane - Untitled (Charles Fletcher)

This pusher biplane was built by Charles Fletcher's Empress Aviation Company in Manchester in 1910. It utilised features of the Farman designs and its engine was a close copy of the Gnome. It made several short hops at Manchester's racecourse before being taken to Brooklands. Fletcher was sued...

www.airliners.net

Yes, thanks. That's him in the bowler.

"Fletcher was sued by Gnome for unauthorised use of their design and became bankrupt." Explaining why I grew up in Droylsden and not Wilmslow with the other nouveau riche (you know who you are ....).

:)

 

[eastlandsblue]

As far as I can tell he’s been more or less exclusive for most of 2024 and as soon as 115 is finished, APT goes on

If he wins the case, I’d give him 1% of CFG just to boil more piss

 

[Coatigan]

Yeah, I get that (although GDM will probably pull you up for use of “legal teams”!). The notion that the PL themselves can’t afford expert legal representation too is frankly laughable.

Was just wondering whether Pannick himself is genuinely the very best in the business, or if he’s just simply more high profile than his peers, such as Lewis. I.e. are the margins at that level less pronounced. To carry on GDM’s analogy, is it more like the difference between having KDB or David Silva.

Probably a similar level, as you say. But Pannick likely has better coaching.

 

[KS55]

Pannick is as good as it gets. He has two hats, one as an advocate and one in the House of Lords. Apparently his role in the HOL is to scrutinise proposed new legislation and where necessary correct, improve and generally upgrade it. He can never change political intent but he has by all accounts intervened on huge number of Acts of Parliament. He is regarded as a leading authority in the world on the formation of new legislation. However he also loves advocacy work (especially for us), that's the only reason he isn't a judge, just his personal preference. Worryingly, he has always gravitated to challenging cases, so Real Madrid away from home and not say, a 'gimmy 3 points' like the rags at home.

The challenge in our case is the existential risk rather than any damning evidence, I suggest.

 

[slbsn]

There’s no difference: they’re all supremely intelligent and the best of the best. Pannick has won and lost some extremely “high-stakes” cases.
This will come down to evidence.

I think barristers can make a difference but there are many variables. I’ve had superb £10k per day KCs have poor days and lose cases/hearings, seen other barristers who I just didn’t rate convince the judge of points that were wrong etc. It is really not an exact science. Lewis has his fans but Pannick is known as the very highest tier and a very nice guy to work with. And remember there are multiple other barristers and lawyers on both sides. Evidence will also be key - I agree.

 

[hammocity]

No, but my great grandfather was a Charles Fletcher who was an aviator from Manchester, one of the first to get something up in the air, at Platt Fields iirc. He made his own rotary engines (cue Wankel jokes). John Alcock was an assistant of his for a while before teaming up with Brown.

My great grandfather sold live chickens on Sheffield Market, any unsold "stock" were taken back home and lived with my Grandma and family, often over a weekend. My Gran said it was often difficult to sleep at night due to the noise the birds made. Chickens can fly but not a lot so I guess your great grandfather trumps mine!

 

[the plasterer]

Who's winning??, us or the red tops??

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think barristers can make a difference but there are many variables. I’ve had superb £10k per day KCs have poor days and lose cases/hearings, seen other barristers who I just didn’t rate convince the judge of points that were wrong etc. It is really not an exact science. Lewis has his fans but Pannick is known as the very highest tier and a very nice guy to work with. And remember there are multiple other barristers and lawyers on both sides. Evidence will also be key - I agree.

Lewis is best known for his sports law work? Nothing in this case screams sports law. I would imagine Pannick is more experienced in general law, including what this case is about: contract law and financial irregularity? Or is that too simple?