PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

And we fans are very grateful to our learned friends for their invaluable insight. I'm convinced that by far the strongest knowledge base about FFP sits on Bluemoon. Also grateful that you tell it how it is, with a cautious optimism about how it might end up.
Do you not think there are similar legal experts on RAWKous or RagCafe explaining the ins and outs of the UEFA hearing, the CAS judgement and the likely charges and a breakdown of the substantive issues raised by the PL.

I mean these people will want to be informed so they can debate the issues objectively amongst themselves and with City fans they meet.
 
I am skeptical on what Dodge has said, nothing against him but it would be such a small group at City who would know about it and would be reliable not to have loose lips.

The idea we are using some leverage to get off the charges and also talking about it, no chance in my eyes.

The idea that we would also use it as leverage is not great. Would mean in my eyes we were guilty, if that was our plan.

The more I think about it, the more it’s a no from me.

However, I have no doubt the information has been passed on in good faith.

The irony is more if it is true then don’t put it on a public forum, doubt that helps the club if they wanted to use it as leverage.
Agree with the scepticism but, surely to leak it to a ’trusted’ source would create a ripple effect to the right/wrong places?
Don’t think it’s either leveraging or blackmailing if it is true.
Just think, again if it is true, City saying go ahead punks make our day.
I believe we’re innocent, sadly I expect some technicalities, will see us found not guilty in the eyes of the law ( to paraphrase King Charles III ’Whatever that is”) yet still condemned in the eyes of the daily fail/sly/prem league and the other bottom feeding pond life that is twitter, because we’ll be fined for non compliance again I suspect.
We’ve a long way to go.
We’re all Blues, remember this campaign against us started back in August 2008, year on year it’s gathered (red) pace.
We will prevail and let the fun begin when we come through this vindicated.

As you were Blues.

wtfamu

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just my take for what its worth- i dont think Lord Pannick is about to barter with the PL with information that should be passed on to the police,its not his style and im sure he'd advise City to take something like that to the police, im not saying this stuff does not exist it may well do and its not in the realms of fantasy, nothing would surprise me, so City themselves use it as a bargaining tool to have the charges droped, is that not ilegal?
 
What's bugging me is the fact they have charged us for every season up to 2018. This must mean they have a lot more evidence which hasn't yet been seen as the Der Spiegel emails were from much earlier. There must surely be specific evidence to show that the alleged fraud continued for every season up to and including 2018, otherwise the charges would be totally frivolous. It's agonising not knowing and I don't see how we can be expected to put up with this for years without any concrete information from either the PL or City.
Their investigation started in late 2018, and they’ve accused of us of not cooperating since then, so presumably that’s why they’ve chosen to charge us up until that point, and with non-compliance subsequently? If that makes sense? Could be completely wrong on that though!
 
Their investigation started in late 2018, and they’ve accused of us of not cooperating since then, so presumably that’s why they’ve chosen to charge us up until that point, and with non-compliance subsequently? If that makes sense? Could be completely wrong on that though!

As I understand it they've charged us with providing misleading information concerning our financial position for every season up to and including 17/18 which means they must have evidence of malpractice concerning our accounts, not just failure to co-operate, for every season up to and including that one.
 
Close the thread now for 4 years until it’s resolved nothing more to say, nobody knows fuck all on here just a load of would be inspector gadgets

My thoughts exactly
With the greatest respect to you both, that’s nonsense. There are a few legal experts on here, including KCs, whose input is greatly valued by many, myself included.
 
With the greatest respect to you both, that’s nonsense. There are a few legal experts on here, including KCs, whose input is greatly valued by many, myself included.

Might it be worth limiting access to the thread so only members can see it? Other supporters' forums of clubs that shall remain nameless do this to stop WUMs and journalists accessing them.
 
Agree with the scepticism but, surely to leak it to a ’trusted’ source would create a ripple effect to the right/wrong places?
Don’t think it’s either leveraging or blackmailing if it is true.
Just think, again if it is true, City saying go ahead punks make our day.
I believe we’re innocent, sadly I expect some technicalities, will see us found not guilty in the eyes of the law ( to paraphrase King Charles III ’Whatever that is”) yet still condemned in the eyes of the daily fail/sly/prem league and the other bottom feeding pond life that is twitter, because we’ll be fined for non compliance again I suspect.
We’ve a long way to go.
We’re all Blues, remember this campaign against us started back in August 2008, year on year it’s gathered (red) pace.
We will prevail and let the fun begin when we come through this vindicated.

As you were Blues.

wtfamu

CTID

I can see your point there could be a ripple and people love football gos, but I’m just not convinced.

If it’s a technicality or whatever, never forget the rule is absolute bollocks, in fact so much detail in all aspects of this you can lose that.

In tax law they have a mosaic rule, of rather then look at the pieces step back and look at the picture.

We have one club that has been transformed, the academy, stadium, surrounding area etc. and one that’s run down.

They are putting more and more pressure on spending/ investing less, pretty sure the goal is 70% on transfers/ agent fees and wages.

Which leaves 30% for running costs, but mainly I assume to get some decent profit out of the game for their owners, providing a good income and a raise in the value of the club.

Anyway we all know that, so it makes no difference to us.

Plus other fans give no credit, Ferguson bullied refs and they had way more money then anyone else, Chelsea was backed by oil money, Liverpool doped them all up.

Arsenal with Henry, Pires, Bergkamp under Wenger, I do give a lot of credit for and for me is the one team who could match some of ours for the way they played. That said am I giving them credit or do I just like them because it was them or United.

Leicester were quality but again everyone claimed it was doping.
 
As I understand it they've charged us with providing misleading information concerning our financial position for every season up to and including 17/18 which means they must have evidence of malpractice concerning our accounts, not just failure to co-operate, for every season up to and including that one.
Again, I might be talking bollocks but I think that might be a cumulative thing. I.e. if your accounts in, say, 2012-13 were falsified then each subsequent year’s accounts are therefore also wrong as a result. Don’t think they have “evidence of malpractice” for every individual year per se, as you put it.
 
Might it be worth limiting access to the thread so only members can see it? Other supporters' forums of clubs that shall remain nameless do this to stop WUMs and journalists accessing them.
Half the members are rags and dippers - have you seen the matchday threads?
 
Might it be worth limiting access to the thread so only members can see it? Other supporters' forums of clubs that shall remain nameless do this to stop WUMs and journalists accessing them.
Not sure if that is an option in the forum software, or something I’d want to do either tbh.
 
Their investigation started in late 2018, and they’ve accused of us of not cooperating since then, so presumably that’s why they’ve chosen to charge us up until that point, and with non-compliance subsequently?
We didn't cooperate for good reason imho, because we were under investigation by UEFA, had we cooperated with the PL, you can bet your life that anything we had divulged in that time, would have gone straight to UEFA anyway.

The whole thing stinks for me, but I've given up worrying about it, nothing I can do will affect the outcome either way, we just have to trust those in charge that they did nothing wrong.
 

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