PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I’d laugh at Everton but I’m worried the PL will go after us even more determined to make up a punishment. We had better make sure we have a completely water-tight defence.

I still don’t understand though how Everton, or us, or Chelsea can be under such scrutiny when there’s a club with over £400m of actual debt yet it’s immune to criticism and continues to spend hundreds of millions a year on new players. Can anyone explain to me why that’s considered ok?

If debt is ok, why couldn’t Everton just borrow say £250m to pay off the deficits that they’re being punished for? Then they could argue they’re only in debt not making a loss, which evidence from a certain club in red suggests is ok.

I genuinely don’t understand.
 
A convicted murderer gets 20 years, therefore another man, accused of murder or a lesser “crime” must get 40 years and forego his trial.

Makes sense.
Exactly.

This is the stance taken by media f**kwits like Jordan, Delaney et al and the internet warrior cretins filling social media.

In asking what punishment will be visited upon our club on the back of today's pronouncement regarding Everton, these barmpots are making a link that doesn't exist, based upon the logical fallacy that is known as 'Post hoc, ergo propter hoc' ('After this, therefore because of this')

The two cases are not linked.

Everton, sadly for its supporters, has been found guilty of making losses of more than £20M above the allowable amount in the three year period concerned. It seems that they are bang to rights on this but we will have to see how the mop flops with the appeals procedure.

As for City, again, let's see what the process brings forward. But given what our resident Blue experts on here have identified so far with this whole FFP farce, it seems to me, for what it's worth, that we have a very strong defence which will be argued robustly and ruthlessly. Bring it on.
 
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Does anyone know how much United breached UEFA FFP by?
If they breached UEFA FFP then don't they automatically breach PL as well, and if so are they going to be getting a PL points deduction?
I think it was only a couple of hundred thousand
The threshold under UEFA rules is more stringent - they failed UEFA rules, but not PL ones
 
Cant help but feel like Everton have just got this out of the way early and not fought against it so they can get on with getting the points back.

Its not in their interest to keep it going all season and get 10pts deducted with 5 games to go and putting them in a relegation battle.
Eh? If Everton lose ten points they lose ten points. It's still ten points off what they've earned whenever the deduction occurs.
The question is whether some relegated clubs will carry out their threat to sue EFC as their cheating enabled them to survive.
 
Eh? They lost over £370m over a 3 year period. More than £250m over what was allowable.

Yep but for me it's a so what if the owner has the money!? Just say Everton go down now that could be the end of them seem that kunt Gill and his red American chums are happy with it!
 
Hiring the best lawyers? Several media took that as evidence that we were guilty. Henry Winter in The Times argued that we did that to kick the UEFA charges into the long grass and now maintains that our lawyers are just causing delay. YCNMIU.
Fortunately we attach no weight to the opinions of members of the British press. Henry Winter has since contributed to the club's official website, thereby demonstrating that we spend little time fretting over what people think about our decision to pay for strong legal representation.

There are days when I think that the club should be suing people to within an inch of their lives, but whilst it annoys me that they seldom defend the club in public, deep down I think their policy is right. We will keep calm, keep our counsel, and when the time is right, we'll act accordingly.
 
If debt is ok, why couldn’t Everton just borrow say £250m to pay off the deficits that they’re being punished for? Then they could argue they’re only in debt not making a loss, which evidence from a certain club in red suggests is ok.

I genuinely don’t understand.
According to the football financial expert on Sly if they had gone down this route they would have been fine apparently, it's the fact that the money used was deemed to be the owners money, which as we know is a no no.
 
Eh? If Everton lose ten points they lose ten points. It's still ten points off what they've earned whenever the deduction occurs.
The question is whether some relegated clubs will carry out their threat to sue EFC as their cheating enabled them to survive.
Ten points deducted now is infinitely better than ten points deducted later without a doubt.
 
I know what you mean but disagree. When our owners started to transform the club and demonstrate our business model was working, Arsenal, United and Liverpool had a choice. They could either copy us or try to stop us moving forward with the plan.

Thank God they chose the latter. At the time there were quite a few sports economic papers published pointing this out. Even better they had multiple time periods to review their failed decision and turn back. There was a tipping point about 5 years ago where it was their last chance to catch and then overtake City using their historical popularity to their advantage, and all three carried on down the road to nowhere refusing to invest in their own clubs.

We are now the strongest football club in the World both on and off the pitch.There is no reputational damage at all except in fans heads and the press. The Club, in the time this has been going on, has won 17 major trophies has the highest revenue in football and is the biggest brand overtaking Real Madrid and Barcelona. City are now expanding the area around the stadium in addition to the stadium itself. They own or have a controlling Interest in 13 clubs around the World. Contrast those huge achievements with the clubs that tried to stop us…how have they got on? Did it work?

The red clubs have put enormous effort into trying to stop us and, at the same time, have slipped further and further behind until they are now too late.

So what is left? Surely the supporters of those clubs would be furious at their own club? Well one set is but the others….not so much. What can they do to distract people from their abject failure to tackle City correctly when they had the chance?

The answer is to create a situation whereby fans believe huge reputational damage has been done to City from which they will ultimately never recover. “We called them cheats, we said they had no history, we said nasty owners” It didn’t cost them a penny.

It’s a shame that some of our own fans believe we are losing an important battle but it doesn’t make any difference. City decided to be “best in class” in all areas and it’s worked quicker than they expected because nobody effectively challenged them In the way they thought. Jesus…Khaldoon even told them at one point “we are not responsible for your failures” and “just accept we are here” He was basically saying if you don’t like it copy us If you think you are losing out.

City fans often say why don’t the club sue this person or that person for lying…not a warning, actually do it. The reason they don’t is because City will not get involved in battles that do not matter to them. They focus on the plan and move forward, ever evolving.

City will never tell its own fans not to get upset about the press, they will hope they notice that it hasn’t worked and enjoy the success but, in the end, even that doesn’t matter to them either, it’s not their job.

People will believe what they want to believe but the facts are what matter. City have played it beautifully.

As for the other clubs well they should thank their lucky stars football has loyal customers. In any other businesses their boards would have been fired by the shareholders years ago for failing to respond to the challenge and instead claiming victory by way of reuputational damage while their clubs sank without trace.

It doesn’t look like a big win for them because it isn’t, quite the opposite in fact.
Brilliant piece
 
That's what I though but for some reason posters are talking about a £20m overspend?
That's what it was. From the BBC.

The commission added: "Everton's understandable desire to improve its on-pitch performance (to replace the non-existent midfield, as Mr Moshiri put it in evidence) led it to take chances with its PSR position.

"Those chances resulted in it exceeding the £105m threshold by £19.5m.

"The position that Everton finds itself in is of its own making. The excess over the threshold is significant. The consequence is that Everton's culpability is great.

"We take into account the fact that Everton's PSR trend over the relevant four years is positive, but cannot ignore the fact that the failure to comply with the PSR regime was the result of Everton irresponsibly taking a chance that things would turn out positively."

They lost over £300m in that period but got most back via Covid allowances as far as I'm aware.
 
Not going to lie but this news today has made me sick to my stomach. Let’s hope our faith in the clubs innocence is not misplaced. If we are found guilty we are fucked.
 
I’d laugh at Everton but I’m worried the PL will go after us even more determined to make up a punishment. We had better make sure we have a completely water-tight defence.

I still don’t understand though how Everton, or us, or Chelsea can be under such scrutiny when there’s a club with over £400m of actual debt yet it’s immune to criticism and continues to spend hundreds of millions a year on new players. Can anyone explain to me why that’s considered ok?

If debt is ok, why couldn’t Everton just borrow say £250m to pay off the deficits that they’re being punished for? Then they could argue they’re only in debt not making a loss, which evidence from a certain club in red suggests is ok.

I genuinely don’t understand.
Because firstly they would have to have that loan agreed and need it to be secured against assets they probably don't have. Secondly, the repayment of the loan and the interest would be accountable in future FFP evaluations.
United are able to do it because despite the loans and the related interest because of their profit they are still able to pass FFP. If Everton put off posting losses due to a loan they would just post them in future accounts instead.
 

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