PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Stoned Rose]

Levy hates us yet like rest of prem has been recruiting key staff to recreate what Man City have in the prem. interesting depth article in the Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/5098615/202...e-aiming-to-learn/?source=user_shared_article Tottenham and City Football Group: Are Spurs trying to learn from Manchester City?

Some interesting parts..

Still going to be Spursy.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

BBC is fucking scum head to toe. Did you see that news report about the U.A.E last night? Total fucking hatchet job, making out like making business deals at a global convention is a war crime.

Its getting to the point where I don't see how you can pay that license fee and call yourself a City fan.

When they show the intro into Match of the Day at the end they show the Champions lifting the trophy , i timed it at less than two seconds , if that had been a red 'istree club it would be on for so much longer , the BBC cant even hide their hate for our club.
They can shove their licence where the sun doesnt shine , cant wait for another knobhead to come knocking on my door asking if i have a TV licence , the last one got so much abuse he was nearly crying , fuck 'em.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Sue who for what?

Even in the absolute best case scenario that this is all a wild goose chase, trying to rehash the UEFA case, the fact still remains that City could’ve put this to bed at any time in the past 5 years, rather than clam up on legal advice and refuse to respond to the PL’s fishing trips.

No court in the world is going to rule jn your favour for something you could’ve actively prevented.

An even shitter wum than the invisible bandages guy.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Jordan on talksport winding people up again.

He reckons we could be looking at 2030 before the final outcome is known lol.

I will take that blues, that should be plenty of time for a regulator to throw it out!

Moaning about if city have irrefutable evidence then show it? Get the case wrapped up early!

You could argue we already have shown the irrefutable evidence to the league and due to the agenda from the rags/dips they won’t accept what is infront of their face.

Funny anyway

Hopefully that sad **** will be dead by then.

 

[Stoned Rose]

That’s fine, it’s all a game of opinions at the end of the day.

Ultimately though, the club say they have ‘irrefutable evidence’ that the charges are bollocks. To see this evidence is to kill the case stone dead, there is that little ambiguity.

That then only leaves two scenarios.

1. The club have this evidence, have decided under legal advice to not engage with the investigation (very likely to avoid falling foul of a fishing expedition) and accept non-compliance charges that will result in a hefty fine

2. The club have provided all of this evidence, the PL and some of the UKs top legal minds, people who pick and choose their cases, have seen this evidence and still plowed ahead in a case of such corporate negligence it makes Gerald Rayner look a visionary, and thrown in non-compliance charges for a laugh also.

My point was a simple one - a poster said if City are found not guilty of all charges they should ‘sue everyone’, but unless it’s a case of scenario 2 above, it’s simply not possible, and if it’s scenario 2 at the end of the day, the PL executives and KC’s who saw ‘irrefutable evidence’ and pushed on would have being sued way down their list of concerns.


Also fine, but whilst it would be absolutely hilarious if all the PL have is the UEFA case that they want to retry, it stretches extremely thin the concept of plausibility that some of the UKs top KCs would be willing to put their reputations and their chambers’ reputations on the line to try that case again, especially with the weightiest allegations having already been found unsubstantiated by CAS. These guys earn millions of pounds a year and pick and choose their cases, they’re not taking this case for money or because they’re secretly Arsenal/Liverpool/United fans.

In that scenario, any KC worth their salt would be advising the club to ‘take a pinch’ if it were offered as some of the Walter Mittys would have you believe the PL have been desperate for. It’s not just SM who can make decisions anymore either, there are important shareholders with a lot of money on the line, it would be negligence of the highest order to refuse a settlement if offered no matter how confident you are.

If in 18 months time the ruling comes out and it turns out the PL had nothing more than the UEFA case, ran with it anywhere and got torn apart at the tribunal, I’ll be on here celebrating with you, trying to avoid a double hernia from laughing so hard, but for the reasons above, I just don’t see any plausible scenario that the PL and KCs would be that reckless, even with the pressure other clubs and an incoming independent regulator no doubt put them under.

Naive as fuck.

Lawyers don’t give a fuck about winning / loosing.

They want paying.

They can only advise. If the person paying them says “do this, do that”, they’ll do it.

As long as they’re getting paid.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Pricks like Simom Jordan stating we could have the case heard tomorrow if we wanted to is f*cking absurd , he keeps on asking for the irrefutable evidence ,well you curtained haired c*nt , the Premier league have had nearly four years and produced f*ck all evidence , how can we respond when the clueless clowns at the Premier league are dragging their feet.
The whole intent of the charges were to besmirch our club , and it has worked , the Everton ban was also engineered to bring our club into the spotlight , Richard Masters is playing a blinder for the 'istree clubs , but it will cost him his job , he's proved to be a weak character who is jumping to the tune of his paymasters, apathetic weasel of a man.
And no , i am not a fan :)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Would 2024 means the UK limitation period becomes applicable, in terms of six years or something like that?

 

[Stoned Rose]

Pricks like Simom Jordan stating we could have the case heard tomorrow if we wanted to is f*cking absurd , he keeps on asking for the irrefutable evidence ,well you curtained haired c*nt , the Premier league have had nearly four years and produced f*ck all evidence , how can we respond when the clueless clowns at the Premier league are dragging their feet.
The whole intent of the charges were to besmirch our club , and it has worked , the Everton ban was also engineered to bring our club into the spotlight , Richard Masters is playing a blinder for the 'istree clubs , but it will cost him his job , he's proved to be a weak character who is jumping to the tune of his paymasters, apathetic weasel of a man.
And no , i am not a fan :)

“Paymasters” is a word you only ever see on this forum.

 

[marco]

Hopefully that sad **** will be dead by then.

two twats together,his Mrs-

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

two twats together,his Mrs-

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They f*cking deserve each other

 

[Gordyola]

That’s fine, it’s all a game of opinions at the end of the day.

Ultimately though, the club say they have ‘irrefutable evidence’ that the charges are bollocks. To see this evidence is to kill the case stone dead, there is that little ambiguity.

That then only leaves two scenarios.

1. The club have this evidence, have decided under legal advice to not engage with the investigation (very likely to avoid falling foul of a fishing expedition) and accept non-compliance charges that will result in a hefty fine

2. The club have provided all of this evidence, the PL and some of the UKs top legal minds, people who pick and choose their cases, have seen this evidence and still plowed ahead in a case of such corporate negligence it makes Gerald Rayner look a visionary, and thrown in non-compliance charges for a laugh also.

My point was a simple one - a poster said if City are found not guilty of all charges they should ‘sue everyone’, but unless it’s a case of scenario 2 above, it’s simply not possible, and if it’s scenario 2 at the end of the day, the PL executives and KC’s who saw ‘irrefutable evidence’ and pushed on would have being sued way down their list of concerns.


Also fine, but whilst it would be absolutely hilarious if all the PL have is the UEFA case that they want to retry, it stretches extremely thin the concept of plausibility that some of the UKs top KCs would be willing to put their reputations and their chambers’ reputations on the line to try that case again, especially with the weightiest allegations having already been found unsubstantiated by CAS. These guys earn millions of pounds a year and pick and choose their cases, they’re not taking this case for money or because they’re secretly Arsenal/Liverpool/United fans.

In that scenario, any KC worth their salt would be advising the club to ‘take a pinch’ if it were offered as some of the Walter Mittys would have you believe the PL have been desperate for. It’s not just SM who can make decisions anymore either, there are important shareholders with a lot of money on the line, it would be negligence of the highest order to refuse a settlement if offered no matter how confident you are.

If in 18 months time the ruling comes out and it turns out the PL had nothing more than the UEFA case, ran with it anywhere and got torn apart at the tribunal, I’ll be on here celebrating with you, trying to avoid a double hernia from laughing so hard, but for the reasons above, I just don’t see any plausible scenario that the PL and KCs would be that reckless, even with the pressure other clubs and an incoming independent regulator no doubt put them under.

The PL have referred City to a commission, the PL retained KC will appoint a panel made up of, in Everton’s case 2 KC and a financial expert, the panel for City is likely to be similar. I don’t see how you think those appointed are putting

their reputations and their chambers’ reputations on the line

they will consider the evidence listen to witnesses and then come come to a verdict
The difference between CAS case is that UEFA have a limit on how far back a case can be looked at, PL don’t have this however, legal experts have offered their opinion that as PL is constitutioned under English law which does have a limit so it’s likely the KC will throw out a good numbers of charges

 

[Brendan110_0]

As I said in a previous post, I cannot see how City can have a fair hearing when every Tom, Dick and Harriet across the media has already pronounced us guilty and passed sentence.

There is a reason why, in proper trials before the King's courts, the media are not allowed to do this. Imagine being accused of (say) murder and every paper, every online source spent months saying how guilty you are and how you deserve 50 years inside. You would not stand a chance before a jury, which is why this sort of trial by media is illegal and called contempt of court. The judge would throw the case out of court if such a prejudice arose.

The process is a fucking disgrace.

That’s not really the case though. When I was a paperboy Cromwell Street and Fred West was all over the news for a year before the trial.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

That’s not really the case though. When I was a paperboy Cromwell Street and Fred West was all over the news for a year before the trial.

Imagine if they found out if Fred West was a season ticket holder at Maine Rd, it was bad enough when Hitler declared himself a life long Blue.

 

[applecentral]

City will not be going after anybody. It's wishful thinking.

Anybody/media site that goes close or over the line for libel/slander will be spoken to by our media/legal department.

The club will defend itself to the best of it's ability with the best legal team and that will be that.

The hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new leagues!

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

An even shitter wum than the invisible bandages guy.

I seem to have got inside your head somehow.

You may have different views on this than me but so what? Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[applecentral]

When they show the intro into Match of the Day at the end they show the Champions lifting the trophy , i timed it at less than two seconds , if that had been a red 'istree club it would be on for so much longer , the BBC cant even hide their hate for our club.
They can shove their licence where the sun doesnt shine , cant wait for another knobhead to come knocking on my door asking if i have a TV licence , the last one got so much abuse he was nearly crying , fuck 'em.

I’ve been dazed and confused for so long it’s not true!

 

[applecentral]

The PL have referred City to a commission, the PL retained KC will appoint a panel made up of, in Everton’s case 2 KC and a financial expert, the panel for City is likely to be similar. I don’t see how you think those appointed are putting

they will consider the evidence listen to witnesses and then come come to a verdict
The difference between CAS case is that UEFA have a limit on how far back a case can be looked at, PL don’t have this however, legal experts have offered their opinion that as PL is constitutioned under English law which does have a limit so it’s likely the KC will throw out a good numbers of charges

How many more times?

 

[applecentral]

We were offered a settlement by Ceferin before the UEFA case and we refused.
Not convinced we would take one this time either, whatever the legal advice. It feels like Khaldoon has dug his heels in.
“They will not pass.”
You keep making a basic error: it is not wise or even possible for City to lay down its evidence in advance of the PL formulating their case which it seems they have not yet done so. There is no such thing as an open and shut case.

Good times Bad times you know I’ve had my share. When my woman left home with another I still didn’t seem to care.

 

[applecentral]

I believe we went to court to try and keep the charges out of the media and for everything to take place behind closed doors, only to be revealed after the case had been concluded.

Seems fair enough to me, just imagine a situation where were were charged with 115 breaches and it was just thrown out to the media without them having any understanding of the charges. Opposition fans, the media and red tops would have us guilty before the case had ever been heard :)

10 years gone, holding on.

 

[applecentral]

That’s fine, it’s all a game of opinions at the end of the day.

Ultimately though, the club say they have ‘irrefutable evidence’ that the charges are bollocks. To see this evidence is to kill the case stone dead, there is that little ambiguity.

That then only leaves two scenarios.

1. The club have this evidence, have decided under legal advice to not engage with the investigation (very likely to avoid falling foul of a fishing expedition) and accept non-compliance charges that will result in a hefty fine

2. The club have provided all of this evidence, the PL and some of the UKs top legal minds, people who pick and choose their cases, have seen this evidence and still plowed ahead in a case of such corporate negligence it makes Gerald Rayner look a visionary, and thrown in non-compliance charges for a laugh also.

My point was a simple one - a poster said if City are found not guilty of all charges they should ‘sue everyone’, but unless it’s a case of scenario 2 above, it’s simply not possible, and if it’s scenario 2 at the end of the day, the PL executives and KC’s who saw ‘irrefutable evidence’ and pushed on would have being sued way down their list of concerns.


Also fine, but whilst it would be absolutely hilarious if all the PL have is the UEFA case that they want to retry, it stretches extremely thin the concept of plausibility that some of the UKs top KCs would be willing to put their reputations and their chambers’ reputations on the line to try that case again, especially with the weightiest allegations having already been found unsubstantiated by CAS. These guys earn millions of pounds a year and pick and choose their cases, they’re not taking this case for money or because they’re secretly Arsenal/Liverpool/United fans.

In that scenario, any KC worth their salt would be advising the club to ‘take a pinch’ if it were offered as some of the Walter Mittys would have you believe the PL have been desperate for. It’s not just SM who can make decisions anymore either, there are important shareholders with a lot of money on the line, it would be negligence of the highest order to refuse a settlement if offered no matter how confident you are.

If in 18 months time the ruling comes out and it turns out the PL had nothing more than the UEFA case, ran with it anywhere and got torn apart at the tribunal, I’ll be on here celebrating with you, trying to avoid a double hernia from laughing so hard, but for the reasons above, I just don’t see any plausible scenario that the PL and KCs would be that reckless, even with the pressure other clubs and an incoming independent regulator no doubt put them under.

In my time of dying. Don’t want no one to moan.