PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Originally FFP was seen as a way of reducing the levels of debt carried by clubs. Seeing as those levels were highest at those clubs which had contested the CL for almost two decades they threatened legal action against UEFA if any such measures were introduced. UEFA sold out and FFP became a mechanism for restricting spending. It was sold to clubs as a measure of cost control and chairmen/owners supported and welcomed it - with some exceptions. This was a serious miscalculation because debt was always going to be a major obstacle even though expenditure on some things was allowed as long as the interest on loans could be afforded but even more so the connection between high spending on players (which was all that FFP tried really to control) was not precise. So we have the unintended consequence that debt has risen most alarmingly (?) at those clubs which sought to entrench their position at the top of the pyramid, and it is becoming an evermore serious constraint on spending. In paticular Barcelona and United are suffering badly and for United qualification for the cash cow of the CL is becoming much more difficult and irregular. Of our "cartel" clubs Liverpool fell out of the top 4 in n 2009 but have qualified since 2017 but not because of lavish spending, Arsenal dropped out while Wenger was still there and only re-entered when they began to spend wisely and Spurs have had to rely on increased income from a new stadium and sensible management to qualify, though they have not been consistent qualifiers for the CL. City have qualified every year since 2010 thanks to increasing their revenue rapidly, employing very good managers (one of whom is a football genius), excellent officials to run the club and very intelligent use of the clubs increasing, permitted revenue streams. Success, both on the field and off, is as complicated and elusive as ever. This sounds like nothing but good news for football, as if it is now a world of well run, profitable businesses, but this may not be the case. The threat from competition law is probably greater now than ever and there is the threat from alternative competitions. UEFA and the PL may have to sharpen up their act and concern themselves with the interests of smaller clubs, while many of the "bigger" clubs of yesteryear have to deal with an increasing mountain of debt, with an independent regulator unsympathetic to their privileged position.
It tells you everything you need to know about FFP, when you remember what Platini had in mind in his original notion for ffp, which was about controlling debt which he thought was the single most corrosive element of European club finances and even went as far as to name the rags and Chelsea as examples of what he thought was the totally unfair scenario of clubs running up huge debts and being allowed to take part in and win, uefa competitions.
Somewhat different to the skewed, unfair and ultimately unworkable dogs’ dinner which was eventually presented.
I wonder why!
 
Everton fans along with Villa and Newcastle have been trending all day about FFP . Said exactly the same (as above ) to a few of them. We’ve been telling them for years about it and the penny is finally dropping. No sympathy whatsoever. Most Everton fans think we are in with the PL chiefs and and getting away with murder. How stupid can you get ? Banging our heads against a brick wall for years
Villa? Are they potentially in trouble as well?
 
The premier league claim to have iron clad evidence against city. I am surprised they need lawyers at all. Why didn't the league release the findings of the 4 year investigation? Surly they don’t need a tribunal?

I call and smell…Bullshit.

City would have settled if we genuinely thought the league had nailed us to fraud.

So instead of being able to prove anything, they decide to release the baying mob. As someone else said, if the American clubs can’t win on the field they litigate!

So spit and rat should be asking the league to show their hand not MCFC. Wonder why they don’t?
Trying to keep up here. Where have the Premier League said or leaked this?
 
They‘ve said fuck all about iron clad evidence because they haven’t broached the subject of evidence at all…funnily enough.
And that tells its own story. If the PL had significant evidence it would have leaked out to our enemies in the media. The same individuals are still in place at LFC, MUFC, the PL, and the EFL are still in the loop. You can be sure they are still talking to each other and their pals in the media.
 
And that tells its own story. If the PL had significant evidence it would have leaked out to our enemies in the media. The same individuals are still in place at LFC, MUFC, the PL, and the EFL are still in the loop. You can be sure they are still talking to each other and their pals in the media.
That's one thing i'm hopeful of. During the CAS hearings we saw all sorts of leaks and drips to the usual suspects trying to put it into the public court to ensure they got the result they wanted.

If the PL are literally using the same evidence as what was presented at CAS, then if that got released they would be literally a laughing stock. However if they had some real new evidence of anything that had us bang to rights, then surely we would have a sniff of it by now.
 
That's one thing i'm hopeful of. During the CAS hearings we saw all sorts of leaks and drips to the usual suspects trying to put it into the public court to ensure they got the result they wanted.

If the PL are literally using the same evidence as what was presented at CAS, then if that got released they would be literally a laughing stock. However if they had some real new evidence of anything that had us bang to rights, then surely we would have a sniff of it by now.
No they wouldn’t because the media don’t like us we got off on a technicality remember everything was time barred and we picked one of the CAS people and probably bribed him I am joking but that what people think
 
And that tells its own story. If the PL had significant evidence it would have leaked out to our enemies in the media. The same individuals are still in place at LFC, MUFC, the PL, and the EFL are still in the loop. You can be sure they are still talking to each other and their pals in the media.

The pl must have significant evidence to charge us.

The pl have found that City broke 115 rules hence the charges or I am missing something ?
 
You mean a bit like UEFA must’ve had significant evidence to kick us out of Europe?

Why would the pl risk their reputation and their brand in going after City being cleared by CAS ?

Personally I believe City are 100% innocent but for the life of me cant understand why the pl would risk coming after City

Reading what's going on with other clubs and possible failing of the ffp soon all clubs will be under a 4 year investigation, starting with rags, arsenal, Chelsea, forest, etc.

The pl will run out of money having to employ all these financial experts and lawyers
 
That's one thing i'm hopeful of. During the CAS hearings we saw all sorts of leaks and drips to the usual suspects trying to put it into the public court to ensure they got the result they wanted.

If the PL are literally using the same evidence as what was presented at CAS, then if that got released they would be literally a laughing stock. However if they had some real new evidence of anything that had us bang to rights, then surely we would have a sniff of it by now.
The only counterpoint to that I can think of from the PL’s perspective is to head any non-cooperation charge defence on our behalf based on leaks from them off at the pass.

That said, it’s plausible but highly unlikely.
 
Why would the pl risk their reputation and their brand in going after City being cleared by CAS ?

Personally I believe City are 100% innocent but for the life of me cant understand why the pl would risk coming after City

Reading what's going on with other clubs and possible failing of the ffp soon all clubs will be under a 4 year investigation, starting with rags, arsenal, Chelsea, forest, etc.

The pl will run out of money having to employ all these financial experts and lawyers

We can be cleared of all charges, and any hint of wrongdoing. However, our haters, or even the neutrals wouldn't stop either screaming, or at best still muttering 'fix' or 'no smoke without fire' etc. And in that, the job of sullying our name and achievements is still done. Cnuts.
 
The charges are almost certainly a fishing expedition based on fuck all.

Absent any detail in the public domain, I'm inclined to think that's more true of the investigation than the charges.

Having had the email excuse to "deep-dive" into our finances and, essentially, invert the principles of fairness and put us to proof that everything was compliant with FFP, imo there was unlikely ever to be a situation where they couldn't charge us with something, even an omission or unwillingness to disclose something amongst the welter of documents demanded which, in iteslf, might constitute "non cooperation".
 
The pl must have significant evidence to charge us.

The pl have found that City broke 115 rules hence the charges or I am missing something ?
The allegations are smilar to "specimen" charges in a criminal case so we have not broken 115 different rules. The 115 figure is irrelevant. The broad accusation from the PL claims we have repeatedly presented misleading accounts over a sustained period of time ie it is the same (similar) offence repeated multiple times. I think the fact the PL tallied up the broad accusations and claimed there were "115 charges" suggests strongly they are acting in bad faith. The fact someone apparently briefed Martin Ziegler at the Times with the "115 charges angle" before the PL told City about the accusations also suggests malice. It confirms my belief this is no more than a political witchunt.
We have no idea if Masters and his pals have any proper evidence but based on what happened with the UEFA case I believe we have grounds to be optimistic. When it came to the crunch UEFA had no credible evidence. Their investigation was just a smear campaign designed to damage City. I suspect the same is true of the PL.
 
The pl must have significant evidence to charge us.

The pl have found that City broke 115 rules hence the charges or I am missing something ?

Any evidence that would support their allegations wouldn't be in the club's accounts anyway. Almost all of it would be between ADUG/ Newton and Al Jazeera, Etisalat, Etihad, Fordham and the rest. I doubt very much the club has been passing on financial information from those companies i) because they think they don't have to and ii) to control the flow, and the timing of the flow, of information from those companies (you start giving the PL information, they will ask for more).

So, I think the PL had no option but to charge everything and let the club present their external evidence to the panel, much the same as happened with UEFA/ CAS.
 

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