PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

BlueAnorak said:
I sort of got that with the core charges- that are absolutely ludicrious. Either the world ISA standards are rubbish in PL eyes - or they accuse our auditors of being crooks. The proof will be fascinating and our auditors will fry the PL alive in the courts if they even try and prove it.
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Is this for real:

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If it is.. why doesn't that surprise me?
 
donkinho said:
The charges against Everton and Forest mark the beginning of the self immolation of the Premier League…… they’ve introduced these profit and sustainability rules just to satisfy the cartel clubs. What will happen is as follows :-

1. League will enforce fines and points deductions for breaching their new rules
2. ⁠Clubs will shit themselves at the sanctions and will cut back on transfer spending and wages.
3. ⁠The best players will stop signing for English clubs and will start to play in other European leagues.
4. ⁠The quality of the league will drop.
5. ⁠TV and sponsors will reduce the money they put in
6. ⁠The league will become second rate as the commercial appeal falls


But at least United and Liverpool will be able to win again…… well done you pair of selfish cunts !!!
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You aren't thinking strategically enough. How is this one?

October 2021 ESL announced
October 2021 ESL scrapped over fans' reactions
February 2023 PL allegations against City, press campaign for punishment begins
November 2023 Everton points deduction, press launch what about CIty part 1
January 2024 Everton and Forest charged, press launch what about City part 2, press launch anti-PL campaign part 1
March 2024 Everton and Forest points deductions, press launch what about City part 3, press anti-PL campaign part 2
November 2024 PL/ City panel meets
December 2024 Leaks from "officials from leading PL clubs" that no punishment for City
Early 2025, press outrage, press anti-PL campaign part 3
Mid 2025 ESL announces new format, invites United, Liverpool and others
Mid 2025 United, Liverpool say "not interested" but "fan pressure" against PL leads them to consider it
Late 2025 ESL agreed
2026 ESL starts

I love a good conspiracy theory, me :)

Moral of the story: most fans are brainless sheep who believe what they are told and what they want to hear, without engaging brain. Oh yes, and Masters is just a patsy, a trojan horse planted by United and Liverpool. A PL Platini, if you will.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
You aren't thinking strategically enough. How is this one?

October 2021 ESL announced
October 2021 ESL scrapped over fans' reactions
February 2023 PL allegations against City, press campaign for punishment begins
November 2023 Everton points deduction, press launch what about CIty part 1
January 2024 Everton and Forest charged, press launch what about City part 2, press launch anti-PL campaign part 1
March 2024 Everton and Forest points deductions, press launch what about City part 3, press anti-PL campaign part 2
November 2024 PL/ City panel meets
December 2024 Leaks from "officials from leading PL clubs" that np punishment for City
Early 2025, press outrage, press anti-PL campaign part 3
Mid 2025 ESL announces new format, invites United, Liverpool and others
Mid 2025 United, Liverpool not interested but fan pressure against PL leads them to consider it
Late 2025 ESL agreed
2026 ESL starts

I love a good conspiracy theory, me :)

Moral of the story: most fans are brainless sheep who believe what they are told and what they want to hear, without engaging brain. Oh yes, and Masters is just a patsy, a trojan horse planted by United and Liverpool. A PL Platini, if you will.
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I say it every time but Parry working for the EFL after dedicating his life to the Dippers

1991 Started working on planning the new premier league.
1992 Chief Exec Prem League
1998 - 2009 Chief Exec Dippers
2009 - 2019 Consultant including UEFA investigation panel of club financial fair play cases

Now his latest job is throwing shit at the premier league.

I worked with a devious **** like him & he tried to throw Masters under the bus for shit that he built.

He was chief instigator of FFP & the premier league & he turns up before all the problems using his client journalists with leaks & innuendo.

You may be joking but as a conspiracy it looks pretty good to me.
 
the one thing that is relevant here is the PL do not need evidence or proof to find City guilty, they have punished plenty of others without it, but for 4 years now they have held off, my view is one or more of the G14 is pushing them, and the PL know full well that it is a cesspit of trouble, the wording of City`s CEO on the first UEFA punishment is very much a threat.
 
halfcenturyup said:
You aren't thinking strategically enough. How is this one?

October 2021 ESL announced
October 2021 ESL scrapped over fans' reactions
February 2023 PL allegations against City, press campaign for punishment begins
November 2023 Everton points deduction, press launch what about CIty part 1
January 2024 Everton and Forest charged, press launch what about City part 2, press launch anti-PL campaign part 1
March 2024 Everton and Forest points deductions, press launch what about City part 3, press anti-PL campaign part 2
November 2024 PL/ City panel meets
December 2024 Leaks from "officials from leading PL clubs" that no punishment for City
Early 2025, press outrage, press anti-PL campaign part 3
Mid 2025 ESL announces new format, invites United, Liverpool and others
Mid 2025 United, Liverpool say "not interested" but "fan pressure" against PL leads them to consider it
Late 2025 ESL agreed
2026 ESL starts

I love a good conspiracy theory, me :)

Moral of the story: most fans are brainless sheep who believe what they are told and what they want to hear, without engaging brain. Oh yes, and Masters is just a patsy, a trojan horse planted by United and Liverpool. A PL Platini, if you will.
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also, there are a scenario that we join ESL if the verdict is against us, the ESL starts to be very popular and 'reds' start to loose money, with ESL having bigger ratings and better TV money and eventually join the ESL.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Politely as possible…Bollocks!

These are sophisticated people who know their decision is going to be pored over by the greatest legal minds in Britain. They will be ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE and will certainly not be swayed by the nonsense being spewed by no-name pundits & journos!

When shit gets serious, the bullshit is shoveled out of the room so adults can do their work.
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The issue here is; Are the "sophisticated ultra CONservative" greatest legal minds in Britain adjudicating under FFP/P&S Rules, or UK Law?

Again, is any possible appeal adjudicated under FFP/P&S Rules, or UK Law? They aren't one & the same, because if it were the latter, we wouldn't be anywhere near this situation.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The clue is in the word "Auditor" its definition and how they work.
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Lets start there:

What exactly does an auditor do?

Auditors examine, analyze, and interpret accounting records to prepare financial statements, give advice, or audit and evaluate statements prepared by others. Install or advise on systems of recording costs or other financial and budgetary data.

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In short, “garbage in, garbage out.”

If City’s accounts balance and have records that help support those accounts, I don’t believe it us upto an auditor to determine the legality of each dollar on the page, but assure the accounts meet the standards required by standards and law…to the best of their knowledge, which I assume would not include any secret deals or money movements.
 
Dribble said:
The issue here is; Are the "sophisticated ultra CONservative" greatest legal minds in Britain adjudicating under FFP/P&S Rules, or UK Law?

Again, is any possible appeal adjudicated under FFP/P&S Rules, or UK Law? They aren't one & the same, because if it were the latter, we wouldn't be anywhere near this situation.
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that anyone on that Commission will be deeply versed in the rules and regulations of the PL under which City are being charged AND aware that PL R&Rs cannot violate UK business law.

YMMV.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that anyone on that Commission will be deeply versed in the rules and regulations of the PL under which City are being charged AND aware that PL R&Rs cannot violate UK business law.

YMMV.
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This being the case, why can't a wealthy owner invest as much of his/her legally acquired money into their business, as they see fit?
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
“Small” is a term that is routinely deployed pejoratively from supporters of certain clubs in the PL towards others clubs. On that basis the word should be used with great caution and consideration by the Chief Executive of that league, most especially when describing clubs that would be the subject of that description.

If Masters was competent in his job, he would appreciate this.
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If he was competent he wouldn't have accepted the job - like the previous two appointees.
 
For what its worth, this is my take on this.

We, as a club have some of the smartest business people in the world looking after our finances. Every business that I have ever worked for sales as close to the wind as possible while ensuring they comply with the rules and regulations.

We then have the Premier League, who are basically a sporting organisation with a huge turnover. I highly doubt that they have the same level of financial understanding and skills as our guys do.

I think it all boils down to interpretation of the rules, the PL may argue that the way we have applied the rules is not in line with their expectations, however, if we have acted according to UK law and everything can be accounted for and shown on the books then we will be fine.

If the independent panel is indeed experts in their field you would have to assume they are fully aware of legal accounting processes.
 
Dribble said:
This being the case, why can't a wealthy owner invest as much of his/her legally acquired money into their business, as they see fit?
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Because the rules of the premier league say they can't and we have agreed to abide by the rules. Specific financial rules aren't unique to the premier league or even football, many other sports have salary caps for example.
I agree with your wider point in that I feel City should have challenged the concept of FFP at it's inception but we didn't so now we have to abide by it.
 
argyle said:
Not sure anyone has said it has to be secret?

My impression was Masters simply couldn't say because he had forgotten what the date was.

However, it would be best if the date was kept secret as the media will ramp up the pressure and try and influence the outcome.

I'm not convinced of the impartiality of this hearing. The PL will be seen as fools if we're exonerated and I think they'll be keen to at least have some of the charges stick.

I mean UEFA's hearing was supposed to be impartial yet they found us guilty with no evidence of any wrong doing.
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A bit different. I think UEFA - at least partly - arrived at their decision because we stopped co-operating when the leaks started appearing in the press. We subsequently co-operated fully with CAS and will do so this time with the independent panel.

I’m not saying the hearing will definitely be 100% impartial but it certainly shouldn’t be akin to a kangaroo court.
 
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