PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

Fair enough. What about this as a suggested defence to the panel?:

"Oh, just tell the PL to fuck off will you? All they have is a couple of emails chosen to show the club in the worst possible light. I put it to you…….. We have valid contracts signed by the appropriate people in the appropriate companies and UK legal and tax clearances to support the contracts, the services provided and the amounts involved. And you can tell them not to even think about using the new rules. It was 13 fucking years ago, the cunts. I rest my case."

Could work. And my last post on Mancini ....

Edited for you :)

 

[TueartsCossackSpray]

You mean the same Annabel Tiffin married to a man kicked out of Greater Manchester Police press office for sexual harassment?

I queried Annabel Tiffin when she did this article and this was her reply.

“Thanks for replying. I appreciate what you’re saying. But I suppose from a journalist’s point of view we were doing a largely positive piece about a new venue. We have also done many items over the years about the regeneration of east Manchester. Never the less there is an issue that Manchester City council sold the land to a state with questionable human rights and many people have concerns about that. I put that point to the Mayor and it is for him to defend the position, which he did.

The UAE ranks 153 in the world in terms of personal freedoms. So while they’ve brought a lot of money into Manchester - and I love Manchester and want it to flourish - I believe it is fair to ask the question where that money is coming from.

Sorry for lengthy reply!!
Hope I haven’t put you off watching
Best wishes
Annabel”

 

[meltonblue]

Correct imho. I think his point is that it looks suspicious for City directors/employees to be involved in negotiations/discussions with any company with which a senior employee has a second contract. I just don't see it. I think the opposite. It would be negligent not to be involved to ensure the club isn't at any fiscal or legal risk from a second contract.

The related party argument is a red herring. If Mancini had taken a part-time job to manage England in the international breaks I would equally expect the leading club to be involved in negotiations/discussions for the same reasons.

Not quite. I’m saying if you have city director able to negotiate a contract on behalf of another entity including financial arrangements and that entity also has the same owner, and subsequently transactions happened between those entities, it’d be a tough sell to say that they aren’t related parties.

The England analogy doesn’t work. I wouldn’t expect City to be involved in any financial side of the contract negotiation with England and also Mansour doesn’t own the England national team.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Edited for you :)

You see? That's why I could never be a lawyer. Well, that and the fact you have to be a horrible person ......

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I think that is the case our KC will put forward, couched in more legal language, with a few hereinafters, prima facies and mutatis mutandis. Piece of piss this KC business.

Well there’s certainly some prime faeces over at Trafford !!

 

[halfcenturyup]

Well there’s certainly some prime faeces over at Trafford !!

There are a few mutant mutt Andys too.

 

[Bloominmarvellous]

Something I found interesting from sports bible whatever that is. Etihad are preparing for an Initial Public Offering (IPO), opening up their accounts for all to see before going on the stock exchange. Investment banking experts told the The Mirror that it's unlikely Etihad would allow such access if it risked revealing evidence of a manipulated sponsorship deal with City. The plot thickens. Or should that be the legal treacle does!

I read that too. This would at a minimum provide 2 years (probably 3) of financial accounts so could help even if it would not cover the period of the PL charges.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Does that discredit her as a journalist?

Somewhat, seeing as he had also been sacked from his previous job for the same thing and she turned a blind eye to him again touching up other female journalists.

If she wants to raise questions of morality, she knows she can start at home.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Does that discredit her as a journalist?

It’s not a story the BBC would run though. They would if it was someone else

 

[Chris in London]

I queried Annabel Tiffin when she did this article and this was her reply.

“Thanks for replying. I appreciate what you’re saying. But I suppose from a journalist’s point of view we were doing a largely positive piece about a new venue. We have also done many items over the years about the regeneration of east Manchester. Never the less there is an issue that Manchester City council sold the land to a state with questionable human rights and many people have concerns about that. I put that point to the Mayor and it is for him to defend the position, which he did.

The UAE ranks 153 in the world in terms of personal freedoms. So while they’ve brought a lot of money into Manchester - and I love Manchester and want it to flourish - I believe it is fair to ask the question where that money is coming from.

Sorry for lengthy reply!!
Hope I haven’t put you off watching
Best wishes
Annabel”

Is that actually true, though? (The reply, not your post).

Who is the 'state' Manchester City Council sold the land to? The only state it might be is the UAE or some government owned entity (including say a sovereign wealth fund).

I had understood, however - perhaps incorrectly - that the land was purchased not by the state but by a privately owned Special Purpose Vehicle. If that's right, it makes the conflation of the state and the SPV by the journalist particularly egregious.

It's not a fair question if the factual premise underlying it is not accurate - especially so if it is knowingly inaccurate.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I queried Annabel Tiffin when she did this article and this was her reply.

“Thanks for replying. I appreciate what you’re saying. But I suppose from a journalist’s point of view we were doing a largely positive piece about a new venue. We have also done many items over the years about the regeneration of east Manchester. Never the less there is an issue that Manchester City council sold the land to a state with questionable human rights and many people have concerns about that. I put that point to the Mayor and it is for him to defend the position, which he did.

The UAE ranks 153 in the world in terms of personal freedoms. So while they’ve brought a lot of money into Manchester - and I love Manchester and want it to flourish - I believe it is fair to ask the question where that money is coming from.

Sorry for lengthy reply!!
Hope I haven’t put you off watching
Best wishes
Annabel”

So she doesn’t even know who bought the site. It wasn’t sold to a state was it? It was purchased by Silverlake and Sheikh Mansour.

 

[cheekybids]

I queried Annabel Tiffin when she did this article and this was her reply.

“Thanks for replying. I appreciate what you’re saying. But I suppose from a journalist’s point of view we were doing a largely positive piece about a new venue. We have also done many items over the years about the regeneration of east Manchester. Never the less there is an issue that Manchester City council sold the land to a state with questionable human rights and many people have concerns about that. I put that point to the Mayor and it is for him to defend the position, which he did.

The UAE ranks 153 in the world in terms of personal freedoms. So while they’ve brought a lot of money into Manchester - and I love Manchester and want it to flourish - I believe it is fair to ask the question where that money is coming from.

Sorry for lengthy reply!!
Hope I haven’t put you off watching
Best wishes
Annabel”

I’m curious how they are going to talk about a World Cup in a country that’s been militarily involved with every country on the globe.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Somewhat, seeing as he had also been sacked from his previous job for the same thing and she turned a blind eye to him again touching up other female journalists.

If she wants to raise questions of morality, she knows she can start at home.

Are you defined by your partner’s behaviour?

 

[Phil1]

Are you defined by your partner’s behaviour?

Jesus, I hope not!…

 

[cheekybids]

Are you defined by your partner’s behaviour?

Is that question to Fred or Rose ;)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Is that question to Fred or Rose ;)

Mrs Shipman!

 

[Dribble]

I queried Annabel Tiffin when she did this article and this was her reply.

“Thanks for replying. I appreciate what you’re saying. But I suppose from a journalist’s point of view we were doing a largely positive piece about a new venue. We have also done many items over the years about the regeneration of east Manchester. Never the less there is an issue that Manchester City council sold the land to a state with questionable human rights and many people have concerns about that. I put that point to the Mayor and it is for him to defend the position, which he did.

The UAE ranks 153 in the world in terms of personal freedoms. So while they’ve brought a lot of money into Manchester - and I love Manchester and want it to flourish - I believe it is fair to ask the question where that money is coming from.

Sorry for lengthy reply!!
Hope I haven’t put you off watching
Best wishes
Annabel”

Would she have asked the question if our owners were from America, where the Mango Mussolini recently tried to steal an election, kill the elected Leader of the House, execute his own Vice President, overthrow the government, all in a "democracy" where shopping at Walmart with an AK47 slung over your shopping trolley handle is perfectly normal & legal?

 

[Dribble]

Are you defined by your partner’s behaviour?

No, but those in glass houses & all that...

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No, but those in glass houses & all that...

I get that, but discrediting a journalist because her husband is a wrong’un seems a bit OTT.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

The most commercially successful football league on the planet will not benefit from the dead hand of government regulation.

What's required is genuinely independent arbitration, (CAS for example) to prevent the stitch up that might be coming our way from the 'Independent' Commission that will try our case.

The PL is undoubtedly very successful commercially the fans who flock to watch matches do not choose to support a team because it is successful commercially or because the PL is and the PL seems determined to ignore this. Chris from London points out, quite rightly, that certain clubs have excessive influence on the PL and I would suggest that our "problems" with UEFA arose from the existence of an alliance with other like minded clubs in Europe, Hence, the "independent arbitration" of CAS which you favour found itself ruling on whether City had broken a series of regulations which are very arguably unenforceable in law and which were not introduced by any process of consultation but by a "discussion" with the ECA, or at least, officials from Bayern Munich who claimed to speak for it. Thus European football was lumbered with regulations which limited severely the rights of owners to invest. What organisation refuses investment? And now the PL is in the same cul de sac. One third of the PL are facing proceedings for allegedly breaking PL financial regulations. Hardly the sign of an organisation where commercial success spreads its benefits to all. But then these regulations never intended that.

What is not needed is independent arbitration but an acceptance that the present regulations are actually anti-competitive and shouldn't be enforced at all. This raises the question of what regulations should be enforced and experience shows that the PL's hand is stone dead on this question. No-one is actually suggesting that the minister for sport and culture should dictate a set of regulations but wide ranging discussion is necessary and fans' organisations have to be at least consulted. I believe that a truly independent regulator is essential to these discussions and to prevent the PL ever again falling under the domination of the "red cartel".