PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[ayrshire_blue]

There still has to be corroboration of the statement ‘like we did before’ ie is there evidence that we actually did whatever it was before?

Or when was it done before?
Pre-FFP?

I think the one I read earlier specifically referred to having done so "in the previous quarter", email was from December 2012.

KS55 point is still valid however.

 

[The Colonel]

It was the same before CAS when we had the 6 original emails. Plenty saying that "it doesn't look good", even Stefan was of that view as I recall when taken in isolation. But as he says, this, again, is just half the story - even it's genuine!
Chill we this covered. The club were confident before CAS, they are even more so now.

 

[CC1]

In 2012/13, we thought we needed a specific bottom line maximum loss in order to be able to invoke the Annex XI provision to take advantage of pre-June 2010 wages. That's why we accelerated the Etihad payments and did the Fordham deal. In the end, UEFA shifting the goalposts on the application of those wages rendered these actions irrelevant but we didn't know that at the time.

There's absolutely nothing either new of remotely fraudulent in those actions. And if the IC agree it's not fraudulent, then they'll be time-barred anyway.

I remember them moving the goalposts. Disgraceful really & I don’t think we’d accept it now

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think the one I read earlier specifically referred to having done so "in the previous quarter", email was from December 2012.

KS55 point is still valid however.

His point is very valid.
Certainly in a criminal court, as said previously, these emails would seem to me to be third party conversations. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the IC won’t run the same.

But with the same “testimony” as I’ve previously referred to it, seemingly having gone to CAS and CAS unequivocally accepting the explanations City’s defence presented to them, I’m still optimistic that our owners are correct in their summation and what they are telling us, the team, Pep and whatever media are willing to listen (not many, hence silence being best), is the accurate story of these emails.

I don’t do social media, so haven’t read all the stuff being currently discussed in here, but I trust the regular few experts when they say there’s nothing new here.

I don’t have a legal background but work in the courts over here and I’ve listened to many a prosecution’s opening speech and cross examination of witnesses and thought, “this guy is banged to rights “, I believe is the phrase you use, only to have my opinion totally swayed by the angle presented by the defence.

We were found not guilty in a proper court and without new evidence I fully expect us to be found not guilty again.

If the PL processes are fair and equitable, that is how it should be, I believe.

 

[GBUG]

That thread reads absolutely horrible for us, particularly if (and it seems so) the emails are authentic and not doctored.

It doesn’t at all. It’s one side of the story. TBH most of it I found quite plausible from our side.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Just to finish off trying to point out the agenda based bias throughout Magic Twat's thread:

His view is that being found guilty of the non co-operation claims only (I don't consider them to be charges) should result in the club being relegated.

It's just the usual bollocks dressed up in legal language but loads of it to give it 'gravitas'.

 

[GBUG]

It doesn’t at all. It’s one side of the story. TBH most of it I found quite plausible from our side.

 

[Mraitch]

Just to finish off trying to point out the agenda based bias throughout Magic Twat's thread:

His view is that being found guilty of the non co-operation claims only (I don't consider them to be charges) should result in the club being relegated.

It's just the usual bollocks dressed up in legal language but loads of it to give it 'gravitas'.

Why is he allowed to adopt a trial by media without balance? He is undermining the whole process. How can we expect a fair hearing with such a slanted view being put forward without challenge?

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Don't be.

Those emails have been available for years.

It's a desperate dump from someone who should have taken it to the toilet instead.

It's Nick Harris.

Been wondering over the past few days who Magic Hat is. Had a whiff of somebody funding it ( similar to the Piers Morgan thing a few months back ).

Not sure who the exposed Harris last week but the are a few dots to join - was formerly named Santismagic - which is a transposed letter away from Saints magic and Harris is a Southampton fan.

Also telling that it latched on to paranoid Arsenal fans once they were in a title race with City - changed name to remove the Southampton link - but very telling for a supposed Arsenal fan account that hardly follows another Arsenal fan on Twitter.

I’m sure there are people that can link it much better than me though.

 

[GBUG]

Also irrespective of who paid whom which from the emails is arguable, surely fair value for the sponsorship deals will come into play. There seems to be a reasonable amount of evidence that these amounts were ‘arms length’ ie in line with the market/others.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Why is he allowed to adopt a trial by media without balance? He is undermining the whole process. How can we expect a fair hearing with such a slanted view being put forward without challenge?

I highly doubt the IC has read his lengthy ramblings.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Where did our ‘I’m not Nick Harris’ friend go who seemed to be deleting insults at other posters before?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Has Nick Harris been having one on our board? Seriously Nick if you are reading this, log off for the evening

 

[chaddblue]

Been wondering over the past few days who Magic Hat is. Had a whiff of somebody funding it ( similar to the Piers Morgan thing a few months back ).

Not sure who the exposed Harris last week but the are a few dots to join - was formerly named Santismagic - which is a transposed letter away from Saints magic and Harris is a Southampton fan.

Also telling that it latched on to paranoid Arsenal fans once they were in a title race with City - changed name to remove the Southampton link - but very telling for a supposed Arsenal fan account that hardly follows another Arsenal fan on Twitter.

I’m sure there are people that can link it much better than me though.

Surely Santismagic is a reference to Santi Cazorla?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Been wondering over the past few days who Magic Hat is. Had a whiff of somebody funding it ( similar to the Piers Morgan thing a few months back ).

Not sure who the exposed Harris last week but the are a few dots to join - was formerly named Santismagic - which is a transposed letter away from Saints magic and Harris is a Southampton fan.

Also telling that it latched on to paranoid Arsenal fans once they were in a title race with City - changed name to remove the Southampton link - but very telling for a supposed Arsenal fan account that hardly follows another Arsenal fan on Twitter.

I’m sure there are people that can link it much better than me though.

Santi's magic hat. Santi corzola, its a thing with Arsenal fans. Date of creation was April12th or something which coincided with an instragram or threads account created on the same date with the same sort of name, cant remember, I even checked the profile icon but not used anywhere else except available on Shutterstock, then I got bored because at the end of the day its an Arse fan who is very bitter at losing.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Where did our ‘I’m not Nick Harris’ friend go who seemed to be deleting insults at other posters before?

Got himself a ban it would seem.

 

[manimanc]

This is pure stalking/fatal attraction/bunny boiling shite from Nick Harris. Wow. What an absolute fuckin clown doing what he's done.

Let this be a lesson to parents doubtful about their kids doing social media. Don't let them as it is full of weird shit and weird fuckers with obvious personality disorders.

Wow. Really messed up shite this.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Got himself a ban it would seem.

Was wondering.
Was waiting on a reply to my last correspondence but can’t find that either.

 

[PSmyth07]

How are these emails new though if they're watermarked with CAS in the top left?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

We were found not guilty in a proper court and without new evidence I fully expect us to be found not guilty again.

If the PL processes are fair and equitable, that is how it should be, I believe.

While the logic sounds good, it potentially falls apart IF the charges are not exactly the same, and brought by a different body operating under different rules.

Of course. IF the charges and rules were the same, one would reasonably expect the same legal outcome. However, they’re not only not the same, but are being heard by a different “court” under different “laws.”

Therein lies jeopardy…even if I agree that we have done nothing wrong, which I’m not sure ANY OF US are in a position to actually know.

This is why you hire the best lawyers for the charges leveled, as opposed to creating 5700+ pages of internet conjecture as evidence of being squeaky clean!

Fingers crossed this all goes away LEGALLY, but we all know the damage done to City’s reputation isn’t going away anytime soon, if ever, regardless of the outcome. The “history” of the last decade plus has been written by tribal foes and no amount of legal victories are going to change that for those tribes!