PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Sebi said:
Just want to share it, maybe somebody is interested. This is from a german forum, where somebody wrote: But you can basically say that if the charges are dropped, City is still 99% guilty, right?

Answer:
Once a club has been declared the enemy, it will most likely be difficult to prove innocence to the masses or your 99%.
But unless you are an investigative journalist, are extremely familiar with the subject matter and have really detailed information about the process, it would of course be nonsense to simply assume guilt.
Especially as we are talking about completely different decision-makers and institutions here, and neither FIFA nor UEFA are involved.
These two associations have created an incredible swamp of corruption over decades and I can therefore fully understand why fans don't pay much attention to their judgements and results. I don't myself. Whether it's City, Paris or Dinamo Minsk.

But with the English decision-makers, I just can't imagine that they would try to sweep things under the carpet on a grand scale.
The outcry in England would be gigantic and the league would also be risking its image. After all, we're talking about a turnover of €8bn and a reputation as the best and most demanding football league in the world.
And somehow it makes no sense to me to make the process so time-consuming and risk God and the world being able to report on the allegations for months or even years.
Of course, this figure of 115 offences also sounds particularly serious, although I don't think we all know what exactly counts as an offence.
If Mr Foden received expenses on his invoice for which there was no receipt, that could also be an offence. But this shit happens every day in every small or large company and can be corrected retrospectively with a pen and an A4 piece of paper.
Or are we perhaps talking here about several million sums that suddenly no longer appear in any balance sheet and would then of course have the potential to become a major scandal?

If there are cooked books at the club, then we will probably find out.
In the last trial against City, UEFA didn't wave anything through and sweep it under the carpet, but even passed a relatively harsh or expected judgement.
However, the International Court of Arbitration for Sport has now overturned it. Whether you like it or not. But then some fans turn everything into a huge conspiracy theory.
The ‘normal’ fan has to come to terms with the fact that he probably has no chance of really understanding these legal disputes in detail.
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You should go and ask that person why 99% only ? why not 100%?
I’m not a legal expert but I know the basis and I’m a proud alumni of youtube university of law.
You can talk legal shit all day long but the fucking bottom line is ,who the fuck brought this case to begin with ? fucking “allegedly “ is the key word missing from all these arguments. Who the fuck has the burden now? That’s the very simple fucking question and the most important one .You can’t expect city to cooperate and help them to fuck our anus in return , who does that guilty or not ? When they came with 115 charges they should’ve come prepared with all the fucking evidences ready on hand .Until then all these fucking white noise is just a reverberation inside echo chamber.
Just put on a noise cancellation headphone
 
KS55 said:
@petrusha, I’ve added a link to the film clip.
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Thanks. I watched it years ago but didn't recognise the line. Worth a rewatch sometime, maybe, for me.

To go back on topic, the reason for the thread to have expanded like this is boredom. But then, if people were to post on it only when anything fresh happened, it'd have lain dormant since March 2023, to be honest. ;)
 
slbsn said:
Yes - I'm certainly not approaching it from a purely legal perspective and nor is my experience purely legal. Litigation, disputes and investigations necessitate lots of stepping back from the legals and looking at the commercials/political. It is a nuanced bundle of factors that both lead to cases being launched and not settled.

The real dichotomy is the weight one gives to conspiracy theory (on both sides). I happen to think almost all of it is total nonsense and whenever you want to look for conspiracy, just assume either it isn't there or it is mere incompetence. Anyway, back to listening to Candace Owens explaining how Jews all got a text message about 9/11
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Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you, Stefan!
 
THE GUILTY VERDICT -:

Guilty of Success
Guilty of winning trophies
Guilty of wonderful football
Guilty of world class players
Guilty of having a world class coach
Guilty of having a world class owner & Chairman
Guilty of more records than EMI
Guilty of having the finest elite sporting enterprise on the planet
Guilty of breaking red hearts
Guilty of breaking red spirits

Guilty as fuck 115 times.
 
Gone for a Burton said:
THE GUILTY VERDICT -:

Guilty of Success
Guilty of winning trophies
Guilty of wonderful football
Guilty of world class players
Guilty of having a world class coach
Guilty of having a world class owner & Chairman
Guilty of more records than EMI
Guilty of having the finest elite sporting enterprise on the planet
Guilty of breaking red hearts
Guilty of breaking red spirits

Guilty as fuck 115 times.
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Lest we forget the investment in the community and rebuilding (ongoing) of East Manchester
 
Gone for a Burton said:
THE GUILTY VERDICT -:

Guilty of Success
Guilty of winning trophies
Guilty of wonderful football
Guilty of world class players
Guilty of having a world class coach
Guilty of having a world class owner & Chairman
Guilty of more records than EMI
Guilty of having the finest elite sporting enterprise on the planet
Guilty of breaking red hearts
Guilty of breaking red spirits

Guilty as fuck 115 times.
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Also nobody seem to talk about if man city hadn’t pulled the plug on super cup , this 115 charges would’ve never seen the day light.City literally saved pl and the greedy cunts turned around to stab with these charges .
Money is the root of all evil as they say.
 
Sebi said:
Just want to share it, maybe somebody is interested. This is from a german forum, where somebody wrote: But you can basically say that if the charges are dropped, City is still 99% guilty, right?

Answer:
Once a club has been declared the enemy, it will most likely be difficult to prove innocence to the masses or your 99%.
But unless you are an investigative journalist, are extremely familiar with the subject matter and have really detailed information about the process, it would of course be nonsense to simply assume guilt.
Especially as we are talking about completely different decision-makers and institutions here, and neither FIFA nor UEFA are involved.
These two associations have created an incredible swamp of corruption over decades and I can therefore fully understand why fans don't pay much attention to their judgements and results. I don't myself. Whether it's City, Paris or Dinamo Minsk.

But with the English decision-makers, I just can't imagine that they would try to sweep things under the carpet on a grand scale.
The outcry in England would be gigantic and the league would also be risking its image. After all, we're talking about a turnover of €8bn and a reputation as the best and most demanding football league in the world.
And somehow it makes no sense to me to make the process so time-consuming and risk God and the world being able to report on the allegations for months or even years.
Of course, this figure of 115 offences also sounds particularly serious, although I don't think we all know what exactly counts as an offence.
If Mr Foden received expenses on his invoice for which there was no receipt, that could also be an offence. But this shit happens every day in every small or large company and can be corrected retrospectively with a pen and an A4 piece of paper.
Or are we perhaps talking here about several million sums that suddenly no longer appear in any balance sheet and would then of course have the potential to become a major scandal?

If there are cooked books at the club, then we will probably find out.
In the last trial against City, UEFA didn't wave anything through and sweep it under the carpet, but even passed a relatively harsh or expected judgement.
However, the International Court of Arbitration for Sport has now overturned it. Whether you like it or not. But then some fans turn everything into a huge conspiracy theory.
The ‘normal’ fan has to come to terms with the fact that he probably has no chance of really understanding these legal disputes in detail.
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I admire you, Sebi, for fighting our cause on forums in your homeland. I know from family connections that City aren't popular there and are seen to be a kind of direct contrast to the values German fans have.

I hope you'll find interacting on here useful in terms of deriving an understanding of the issues you won't get from elsewhere. And in the meantime, let's hope for a positive outcome in the game against Real, a club widely lauded but whose rancid nature I find deeply unpleasant.
 
petrusha said:
I hope you'll find interacting on here useful in terms of deriving an understanding of the issues you won't get from elsewhere. And in the meantime, let's hope for a positive outcome in the game against Real, a club widely lauded but whose rancid nature I find deeply unpleasant.
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Who knew that “European royalty” and “bunch of cunts” were synonyms?

Well, Robespierre, obvs, but him apart?
 
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