PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

TedofChume said:
My old fella was a chartered accountant and he always told he when employing subcontractors you need to do two things to prove they're not employees: 1) make sure they're doing the same type of work for someone else and 2) make sure they have the right of substitution ie they can send someone else of comparable skill/ability/clout to do the job. If you don't do this you run the risk of them being classed as employees which is fair enough.

The bottom line is, these guys all earn a fortune, they're grown men and can pay a tax advisor or accountant to tell them what their sitiatiom and liability is.

In short, it's his own stupid bloody fault if he gets done.
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With IR35 it’s more complicated than that. The contractor needs to be able to dictate pretty much everything about the way the job is performed. How, where and when. Big nose (and the others getting caught) was told ‘where’ to work and ‘when’ to work on too many occasions, so it became routine and triggered the investigation. The onus on complying with IR35 used to be on the contractor for a long time but moved to the payer a few years back, but you have always been able to get contracts reviewed and tested and insurance against HMRC investigations and fines, these greedy buggers probably chose to save the money instead. I haven’t worked outside IR35 for 4 years but still pay for insurance just in case. Think after 6 years I can cancel.
 
Chris in London said:
On the other hand, it’s no secret that in the interests of generating debate a presenter will often articulate a point of view with which they may not wholeheartedly agree. These issues, as I understand it, are the sorts of things more frequently discussed in production meetings than the subject of direct instruction via an earpiece.

Whilst it almost certainly overstates the case to say that a particular presenter‘s views are actually dictated for them by the producers - I think back to the infamous Sunday Supplement episode after Yaya signed, where I suspect none of the contributors on that day had the slightest need of editorial input - but equally to say that there is never any editorial input seem to overstate the case the other way.
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A presenters role is quite different. The presenter is getting lots of direction and prompting.

I don't really understand the point on Yaya - is it really so incredible that they were just wrong like Thompson was wrong on KdB? They are frequently wrong especially with foreign players because they hate to say "I've never seen him play" or haven't watched as much Barcelona as they claim
 
slbsn said:
A presenters role is quite different. The presenter is getting lots of direction and prompting.

I don't really understand the point on Yaya - is it really so incredible that they were just wrong like Thompson was wrong on KdB? They are frequently wrong especially with foreign players because they hate to say "I've never seen him play" or haven't watched as much Barcelona as they claim
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I think that’s fair comment on the presenter/guest role, and I suspect you could also draw a valid distinction between the more peripatetic guests like your good self on TS as opposed to guests who are regular features like Danny Murphy on MOTD.

The Yaya point was simply that those four contributors to that programme had no need of any editorial input in generating the content of that particular episode.
 
Tracking back said:
Actually we played subbuteo, I'll have you know.
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Used to love Subbuteo as a kid with my brother. Every September a new league of roughly 12 teams which never included the Rags.
My all conquering City side (I’m older than my brother). Frank Carrodus got a brace once as a sub.
Good job I’m too old now. My subbuteo City team under threat of expulsion or a points deduction !!!!
 
Chris in London said:
I think that’s fair comment on the presenter/guest role, and I suspect you could also draw a valid distinction between the more peripatetic guests like your good self on TS as opposed to guests who are regular features like Danny Murphy on MOTD.

The Yaya point was simply that those four contributors to that programme had no need of any editorial input in generating the content of that particular episode.
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FWIW, I don't think any guest (Murphy included) on White and Jordan gets told what to say or wears an earpiece. Perhaps it is different on MOTD. Maybe I will ask if I see him again.

On Yaya, I just think they really believed that crap. That is often the reason for these shit takes - a genuinely held view no matter how ridiculous it may be to some of the audience.
 
WRicko said:
Makes sense follows what I said. I do wonder how conservative these places are and how much sway religion and tribes have over things. I mean on the face of it Abu and Dubai don’t seem to match the law of the land there lots of western expats lots of young people western educated elites think you can do what you can here so long as your in the hotel. Not sure what it’s like out and about and what the law is exactly. I thought the country was run by politicians business etc not religious peoples I don’t know what it’s like out in the other areas. But you have that in America with the Bible Belt being different to New York
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Islam by its very nature is legalistic. It adheres to a religious law (Sharia). It's one of possibly only two legalistic religions, the other being Orthodox Judaism (Mosiac law).
 
Protein Junkie said:
Used to love Subbuteo as a kid with my brother. Every September a new league of roughly 12 teams which never included the Rags.
My all conquering City side (I’m older than my brother). Frank Carrodus got a brace once as a sub.
Good job I’m too old now. My subbuteo City team under threat of expulsion or a points deduction !!!!
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He always beat me at Subbuteo
Cause he flicked to kick
And I didn’t know
 
Chris in London said:
On the other hand, it’s no secret that in the interests of generating debate a presenter will often articulate a point of view with which they may not wholeheartedly agree. These issues, as I understand it, are the sorts of things more frequently discussed in production meetings than the subject of direct instruction via an earpiece.

Whilst it almost certainly overstates the case to say that a particular presenter‘s views are actually dictated for them by the producers - I think back to the infamous Sunday Supplement episode after Yaya signed, where I suspect none of the contributors on that day had the slightest need of editorial input - but equally to say that there is never any editorial input seem to overstate the case the other way.
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[adopts Cockney sneer] “£240,000 grand a week….for Ya Ya Toure?!! Jose would never have done that…….”

Etched into my brain. Cunts
 
Protein Junkie said:
Used to love Subbuteo as a kid with my brother. Every September a new league of roughly 12 teams which never included the Rags.
My all conquering City side (I’m older than my brother). Frank Carrodus got a brace once as a sub.
Good job I’m too old now. My subbuteo City team under threat of expulsion or a points deduction !!!!
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Got a Subbuteo set one Christmas around 73, one team was in sky blue and white, other in red and white.
I wasn't having that.
Painstakingly spent hours using my Airfix paints, a magnifying glass and tiny brush to paint black stripes on the red shirts and white shorts black too.
Proud to be that bitter ;-)
 
Protein Junkie said:
Used to love Subbuteo as a kid with my brother. Every September a new league of roughly 12 teams which never included the Rags.
My all conquering City side (I’m older than my brother). Frank Carrodus got a brace once as a sub.
Good job I’m too old now. My subbuteo City team under threat of expulsion or a points deduction !!!!
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Who provided his assists: Oaks, Bell or Bowyer?

That was a proper City team. ;-)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
That's how I grew up but with a caviat.

If you worked in some factories in the northwest in the 1980s (and presumably before that) there was an additional meal - lunch. But the "Lunch" was an extra meal squeezed in between breakfast and dinner, usually around 10am, and people would have bacon and egg butties etc, especially if they'd started on earlies.
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We also had the lunch break in my primary school in the 70’s also around ten in the morning, we just had Spangles though.
 
Protein Junkie said:
Used to love Subbuteo as a kid with my brother. Every September a new league of roughly 12 teams which never included the Rags.
My all conquering City side (I’m older than my brother). Frank Carrodus got a brace once as a sub.
Good job I’m too old now. My subbuteo City team under threat of expulsion or a points deduction !!!!
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And your travelling army of synthetic supporters would be taken away from you and thrown in the bin

 
Jam Tomorrow said:
He always beat me at Subbuteo
Cause he flicked to kick
And I didn’t know
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Mike Summerbee’s arm fell off in a dispute with the cat. I think it gave him advantage. My first and only Subbuteo set was purchased in Lewis’s department store in Piccadilly, Manchester, even though I lived in Somerset
 
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