PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Longdarnit Blue said:
Firstly several apologies - 1- wrong thread although linked (I can’t find the new songs one); 2 - don’t know how to link ‘the long and the short and the tall’ tune for those none oldies who don’t know it (it was by George Formby and I heard it again on some program celebrating the forthcoming VE Day celebrations) 3 - bad language.

It just came into my head and when our own VC day comes (victory over charges) I will be singing it loud and proud.

Fuck em all, Fuck em all

UEFA, the Prem and Pigmol

Fuck all your charges and fuck the cartel

Fuck all the media, may they rot in hell

While we’re singing fuck off to them all

Back under their rocks they can crawl

They tried to defame us so no one can blame us

For singing fuck off to them all.
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Would be great if we could get this going - once exonerated obviously!
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Morning all. Just trying to decipher if there is anything relevant on here yet. Could someone oblige?
Personally I am taking bets that they announce this prior to the cup final for Maximum disruption and maximum media hyperbole.
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No there isn’t

And I’m pretty sure the panel won’t deliver their verdict at a time with any consideration to whether it disrupts us (or anybody else) or not. They’ll deliver it when it’s ready
 
GornikDaze said:
Not expecting anything now until the end of the season. The FA wouldn’t want anything negative coming out the day/week before the cup final… ;)
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The FA don’t have a say in it for 2 reasons. 1) they’re not a party in the investigation. 2) even if they were, it wouldn’t be up to them when the verdict is given out
 
My hope is that city cleared of all charges , the premier league shown up for the corrupt cartel they are , the racism against Arab owned clubs brought to the fore and openly discussed in the media.



Racism towards Muslim owners , just shows the “ kick racism out of football “campaign
by the premier league is just utter nonsense.



BUT, city as a club have lost a lot of my respect. The silence on the way fans were treated by UEFA in Istanbul was deafening.



Any other club would have taken a serious complaint to UEFA. City in my opinion ,let UEFA treat us with utter contempt. From start to finish the whole experience was chaotic,I’m still not over paying £5 for a smallest cup of water !
 
I don't prescribe to the "racist against Arabs/Muslims" view. I think it's to do with power and the loss of control. The premier league has become a monster and is attracting non traditional wealth into the game. It's a victim of its own success. We've gone from a clique of clubs able to outspend others and buy the best players available to keep hold of their position at the top of the table, to billionaires looking to buy into the game by purchasing the club's available, and rebuilding them into successful franchises. I think these new business models are what frightens both the traditionally big/successful clubs, the Premier league, and fans of those clubs. Even Real Madrid have had a meltdown about the Premier league, and specifically City, despite their massive success, because it feels threatened by what the future holds.

It's no secret that the Arabian Peninsula has been looking to invest its natural resource wealth into other areas for decades. They have seen the economic potential of sport, and bought into everything from golf, and Formula One, to football and boxing. It's a very serious economic plan which frightens and threatens the owners of the "traditional" sporting power structures like the Premier League, UEFA, and their traditionally successful clubs, and the USPGA. They simply weren't prepared for it. These structures relied on an old boys club mentality they were happy with, and that's gone. Now we are seeing the last desperate attempts to keep hold of power. The problem they face is the serious geopolitical and financial power of the people they are up against. We are talking everything from world energy supplies to intelligence agencies. It's far beyond anything they have had to deal with and I think the Premier League are now beginning to realise that.
 
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Tarzan Pancake said:
I don't prescribe to the "racist against Arabs/Muslims" view. I think it's to do with power and the loss of control. The premier league has become a monster and is attracting non traditional wealth into the game. It's a victim of its own success. We've gone from a clique of clubs able to outspend others and buy the best players available to keep hold of their position at the top of the table, to billionaires looking to buy into the game by purchasing the club's available, and rebuilding them into successful franchises. I think these new business models are what frightens both the traditionally big/successful clubs, the Premier league, and fans of those clubs. Even Real Madrid have had a meltdown about the Premier league, and specifically City, despite their massive success, because it feels threatened by what the future holds.

It's no secret that the Arabian Peninsula has been looking to invest its natural resource wealth into other areas for decades. They have seen the economic potential of sport, and bought into everything from golf, and Formula One, to football and boxing. It's a very serious economic plan which frightens and threatens the owners of the "traditional" sporting power structures like the Premier League, UEFA, and their traditionally successful clubs, and the USPGA. They simply weren't prepared for it. These structures relied on an old boys club mentality they were happy with, and that's gone. Now we are seeing the last desperate attempts to keep hold of power. The problem they face is the serious geopolitical and financial power of the people they are up against. We are talking everything from world energy supplies to intelligence agencies. It's far beyond anything they have had to deal with and I think the Premier League are now beginning to realise that.
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I agree with you ,it may be wishful thinking ,but I hope and believe ,our owners have greater feeling,and even love of our club, (nearly used a phrase used without any merit by the bus wreckers) than simply buying into another investment.
I get this from seeing mainly but not just, Koolhand exuding integrity and authority, with just a tiny hint of menace if needs be.
 
searsleftpeg said:
I agree with you ,it may be wishful thinking ,but I hope and believe ,our owners have greater feeling,and even love of our club, (nearly used a phrase used without any merit by the bus wreckers) than simply buying into another investment.
I get this from seeing mainly but not just, Koolhand exuding integrity and authority, with just a tiny hint of menace if needs be.
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Yes. Not sure I buy this theory that Mansour has invested in City as a way of diversifying his investment portfolio or, for hopefully obvious reasons, that it is to do with the UAE diversifying. Or, for that matter, that there is any interest in investing in the future of football as a sport more widely.

If Mansour had wanted to do that, he has the money and influence to make a much bigger splash at the governing body level. In more 15 years he has shown no interest at all in football power politics.

I really think he just wanted a football club, an English one at that for personal reasons, that he could make successful and have some fun with. And possibly make some money on or, at least, not lose any.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes. Not sure I buy this theory that Mansour has invested in City as a way of diversifying his investment portfolio or, for hopefully obvious reasons, that it is to do with the UAE diversifying. Or, for that matter, that there is any interest in investing in the future of football as a sport more widely.

If Mansour had wanted to do that, he has the money and influence to make a much bigger splash at the governing body level. In more 15 years he has shown no interest at all in football power politics.

I really think he just wanted a football club, an English one at that for personal reasons, that he could make successful and have some fun with. And possibly make some money on or, at least, not lose any.
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I don't think he wants to get involved with the political side of football. Qatar has. I think he sees it as an investment, as well as something he clearly enjoys. He has bought or invested in a number of clubs worldwide, not just City. The Arabian Peninsula in general are clearly looking into all kinds of sports as investments, as they have with tourism.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes. Not sure I buy this theory that Mansour has invested in City as a way of diversifying his investment portfolio or, for hopefully obvious reasons, that it is to do with the UAE diversifying. Or, for that matter, that there is any interest in investing in the future of football as a sport more widely.

If Mansour had wanted to do that, he has the money and influence to make a much bigger splash at the governing body level. In more 15 years he has shown no interest at all in football power politics.

I really think he just wanted a football club, an English one at that for personal reasons, that he could make successful and have some fun with. And possibly make some money on or, at least, not lose any.
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I 100% think this.

He wanted a football club.

When he went to university in the states he had a love for sports, particularly football (he wasn't very good by all accounts). That ultimately led to what we have today.

I don't think the powers that be in Abu Dhabi and in the UAE were particularly impressed by his investment initially. But i think they know that it's not something they can walk away from. Politically. I also suspect they're quite happy with how it has turned out.
 
Tarzan Pancake said:
I don't think he wants to get involved with the political side of football. Qatar has. I think he sees it as an investment, as well as something he clearly enjoys. He has bought or invested in a number of clubs worldwide, not just City. The Arabian Peninsula in general are clearly looking into all kinds of sports as investments, as they have with tourism.
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The difference being that City is a personal investment not a state investment, of course.

I am aware of the investments in CFG of course, but I don't think that was the intention when Mansour bought City. That was always Soriano's wet dream and only happened after he came on board, iirc. I hope it doesn't become an enormous waste of money .... I suspect if CFG ever makes money it will be due to wider entertainment investments rather than a collection of football clubs.
 
Lord Blue said:
I 100% think this.

He wanted a football club.

When he went to university in the states he had a love for sports, particularly football (he wasn't very good by all accounts). That ultimately led to what we have today.

I don't think the powers that be in Abu Dhabi and in the UAE were particularly impressed by his investment initially. But i think they know that it's not something they can walk away from. Politically. I also suspect they're quite happy with how it has turned out.
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I think that's fair. But I guess Mansour would probably have needed approval from the family to make such a visible investment and so they were keeping an eye on it. Everything any of them does reflects on the whole family, and therefore indirectly the state, after all. Would also explain why the joker Mansour originally had fronting the investment was kicked out and Khaldoon and Pearce put on the board.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes. Not sure I buy this theory that Mansour has invested in City as a way of diversifying his investment portfolio or, for hopefully obvious reasons, that it is to do with the UAE diversifying. Or, for that matter, that there is any interest in investing in the future of football as a sport more widely.

If Mansour had wanted to do that, he has the money and influence to make a much bigger splash at the governing body level. In more 15 years he has shown no interest at all in football power politics.

I really think he just wanted a football club, an English one at that for personal reasons, that he could make successful and have some fun with. And possibly make some money on or, at least, not lose any.
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I also get the impression that, rather than get involved with the existing politics of any sport, Mansour and the Saudis tend to drive their own agenda, and if that means setting up organisations such as LIV golf or the CFG and then inviting the existing governing bodies to fit in with them, then so be it. Although the FA and UEFA have struggled to accept that.
 
Sheikh Mansour has always said that he bought City personally and that it is completely separate from the UAE and Abu Dhabi. He explaind in the open letter to supporters of September 2008 what his motives and plans were. He had no intentions of buying an all star team but intended to build a club which could compete with the best at a European and world level from its own resources. To this end he envisaged a period of heavy investment in players but afterwards the club would generate its own revenues. This is exactly what he has done and it has been achieved brilliantly despite attempts by UEFA, the PL, the cartel and Uncle Tom Cobley and all to do everything beyond their powers to frustrate this ambition. Not from racist motives, but from pure and simple dishonesty. Commercial crooks but simply miles short of ever getting the better of our club, its owner and those who strive to realise his ambitions.
 
Tarzan Pancake said:
I don't prescribe to the "racist against Arabs/Muslims" view. I think it's to do with power and the loss of control. The premier league has become a monster and is attracting non traditional wealth into the game. It's a victim of its own success. We've gone from a clique of clubs able to outspend others and buy the best players available to keep hold of their position at the top of the table, to billionaires looking to buy into the game by purchasing the club's available, and rebuilding them into successful franchises. I think these new business models are what frightens both the traditionally big/successful clubs, the Premier league, and fans of those clubs. Even Real Madrid have had a meltdown about the Premier league, and specifically City, despite their massive success, because it feels threatened by what the future holds.

It's no secret that the Arabian Peninsula has been looking to invest its natural resource wealth into other areas for decades. They have seen the economic potential of sport, and bought into everything from golf, and Formula One, to football and boxing. It's a very serious economic plan which frightens and threatens the owners of the "traditional" sporting power structures like the Premier League, UEFA, and their traditionally successful clubs, and the USPGA. They simply weren't prepared for it. These structures relied on an old boys club mentality they were happy with, and that's gone. Now we are seeing the last desperate attempts to keep hold of power. The problem they face is the serious geopolitical and financial power of the people they are up against. We are talking everything from world energy supplies to intelligence agencies. It's far beyond anything they have had to deal with and I think the Premier League are now beginning to realise that.
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IMHO there is a strong element of racism which is due to the large number of US owners, the US have a dislike for Arabs and its reciprocated In the APT case there was a even a reference to Gulf states so to dismiss it is naive I agree with most of the rest of your post and its fundamentally that there is seen as unlimited resources that they are competing against Not been proven to be the case for City who following initial investment have become sustainable in their own right due to good business practice and management
 
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