PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[CC1]

He's not going to provide names, nor should he. Tolmie doesn't either. He puts names on here, they end up on Twitter, they do the rounds and he's stuck in a very embarrassing position. I've had info myself in the past and you don't name names if you want to ever get info again.

If it’s about an historic case you actually don’t say anything at all - either to a “friend or colleague” or on a public site UNLESS you are prepared for questions & requests for more details

 

[CC1]

I have no idea.

But I do know that client journalists of clubs who have an interest in perpetuating this narrative definitely do read this site, so if I start plastering names and contexts about - it wouldn’t be that difficult to trace that back to me.

As it’s so specific I would suggest your contacts have already been informed

 

[mancboy]

To anyone who pays any attention @Nicholas van Whatsisface is plainly a very accomplished poster and I have no doubt he is faithfully posting what he was told.

That said, if they work for the PL then they are definitely a pair of cunts.

Im not attacking him and he is a very accomplished poster but with anything of substance people are going to want context and substance to put some meat on the bones because effectively he has said alot without really saying anything knowing the questions that would be asked and the stampede it would cause.

 

[Dazzle84]

He's not going to provide names, nor should he. Tolmie doesn't either. He puts names on here, they end up on Twitter, they do the rounds and he's stuck in a very embarrassing position. I've had info myself in the past and you don't name names if you want to ever get info again.

Never mind never getting info again, it could well end up with someone losing their job

Cause it's not a resounding positive for City people are jumping up and down.

Surely it can't be much longer!!

 

[mancboy]

But if he posted he heard that they're not confident (the PL) it would be a "soft signal" and everyone becoming ecstatic over it?

It has to work both ways, Shirley?

I believe the same questions would be asked, who said it , in what context was it said, was it the answer to a direct question, were there caveats attached, what was the nature of the conversation, were they aware you were a blue etc etc.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Okay lets say there was no deal, if city were certain that the pl had them bang to rights why would they not try and broker a deal with the pl, we are talking about world class businessman here who are pragmatic and smart and will do what is in their best interests, we arent talking about chancers here. IF the evidence was there do you not think at least one of the co conspirators would have brokered something to save their own skin as we arent talking about a slap on the wrist here, we are talking jail time for criminal offences.

I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think if they are reading Bluemoon they already know who they are who he is from what he has said.

Bit crazy this.

They won't be reading Bluemoon but if they were named it would be out and in front of them in no time, probably via Twitter. Any jounralist would want a scoop on this story.

 

[rice10]

Ultimately anyone outside the inner circle, or at least doesn’t know anyone within said inner circle can only take things as face value.

A lot of people though have the approach of positive post = I believe it, negative post = definitely wumming ban them!!

Why is this negative post any less true than positive posts that the club will win? We are months and months waiting for a verdict regarding charges our chairman said we had “irrefutable proof” to disprove. Can’t have been very irrefutable if we are still where we are so a clean sweep City win just doesn’t look likely.

 

[CC1]

But if he posted he heard that they're not confident (the PL) it would be a "soft signal" and everyone becoming ecstatic over it?

It has to work both ways, Shirley?

He’d still be asked for more details - we now don’t believe anything on here unless they are facts or clearly posted as an opinion by the poster.

 

[mancboy]

Never mind never getting info again, it could well end up with someone losing their job

Cause it's not a resounding positive for City people are jumping up and down.

Surely it can't be much longer!!

Tbh mate if pl executives are openly gloating about the potential demise of one of their member clubs to people they dont know at a corporate event and by implication calling members of a foreign royal family, the chinese government and several world class businessman and prominent members of the sports world are frauds to a complete stranger maybe those people dont derserve to have said jobs.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If it’s about an historic case you actually don’t say anything at all - either to a “friend or colleague” or on a public site UNLESS you are prepared for questions & requests for more details

People do though. Everyone gossips in football. I'm not saying these guys know anything or that there is any credibility to this at all.

 

[blueste41]

It’s not nonsense they could prove the charges from 2009 & then charge us again for 2010 & so on.

So we just end back in court on essentially the same charge year after year? Yea that makes sense for both parties!

 

[mancboy]

Ultimately anyone outside the inner circle, or at least doesn’t know anyone within said inner circle can only take things as face value.

A lot of people though have the approach of positive post = I believe it, negative post = definitely wumming ban them!!

Why is this negative post any less true than positive posts that the club will win? We are months and months waiting for a verdict regarding charges our chairman said we had “irrefutable proof” to disprove. Can’t have been very irrefutable if we are still where we are so a clean sweep City win just doesn’t look likely.

Because there is zero context to it, 2 unamed pl executives at a corporate event are confident that they win the 115 case, its a sun or daily mail headline which would be dismissed as such.

 

[mancboy]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.

But once again if that was to be true that city did not have a leg to stand on what would be the point of going down the route of even contesting this, it doesnt make business or legal sense.

 

[wolviedinho]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.

For the league to hold this position so late in the game is further evidence of their incompetence. Dickie masters has assured the world that he has handed it all over and knows nothing about it, you know being independent and all that!!!

The people who spoke to you should know nothing about the case unless the info has been leaked or both parties already know the result and if that was the case city would be as a club invaded by the government goon squad looking their pound of Arab flesh.

A guilty city, due to not having a leg to stand on has not happened, no coppers at the door. No hmrch, zip. The only people on site is the rebel alliance repairing the falcon.

The post is good fun but not backed up with what should be happening now if city have been found guilty of fraud.

 

[blueste41]

And why do you think that is mate. Citys owners have come in and done everything they said they were going to do, they have been roundly mocked by the press, by the other cartels managers, fans etc and continued to build a world class outfit which is the envy of many and something most clubs seek to replicate even to the point of appointing our executives and copying our ideas. The PL on the other hand have presided over fuck up after fuck up under the behest of a person that was fourth choice for the job and been told by a parliamentary committee that it would seem he doesnt know what he is doing, not to mention implementing illegal rules and going over clubs for spurious charges that have been roundly thrown out while circumventing the rules for other clubs.

Ask yourself one which one would you trust a signal from?

But that is also Brittle Bullishness purely from a one sided City perspective, unless you're suggesting that everyone in football agrees with that view?

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Well you’ve spectacularly repeated something I guess you were told in confidence by these SENIOR people from the PL without considering that they might see your comments on - what is after all - a public forum. Even if they don’t read it, someone else in the PL might alert the organisation about the “leaks”

Additionally as I’ve said before - you can’t blame Bluemoon regulars for wanting more definitive information on what is the biggest case in football history. -& which you are hinting we might have lost!!

Even info on what they said - doesn’t need names or details of the people who have leaked such hugely important information- is obviously going to be requested

Or did you think we’d just read such important information and then shrug shoulders & move on.

Not at all mate.

It’s fine to ask.

But it’s also fine for me to say No.

I’m confident that, based on the level of detail I’ve provided - I’m ok.

That’s my judgement.

It may be proven to be wrong, but I’m comfortable with it as it stands.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Shock horror some people are confident and bullish about something they believe they are right on!!!

 

[Groke]

But once again if that was to be true that city did not have a leg to stand on what would be the point of going down the route of even contesting this, it doesnt make business or legal sense.

maybe they know the panel isn't very independent and city would be fucked whatever evidence was produced

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.

I’m sure you’re posting in good faith but I can’t believe that if City didn’t have a ‘leg to stand on’, it would take over 13 months to come to that conclusion, and that City’s lawyers would not have instructed them to seek conciliation, at least in an attempt to get a ‘tariff discount’.

As you will remember, the PL thought they’d won the Leicester case until they hadn’t and briefed that they’d ’beaten City’ on the APT case(s), when they hadn’t, so them being bullish might not mean a heap of beans…