Cobwebcat
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johnny crossan said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...th-Champions-League-expulsion-over-debts.html
Can't find it exactly now but I can remember reading it. The link above is close.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...th-Champions-League-expulsion-over-debts.html
Can't find it exactly now but I can remember reading it. The link above is close.
Chippy_boy
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Re: Twatini
Maybe not a gift, but I can see of no conceivable way anyone can stop us selling things to buyer who are prepared to pay inflated prices.
It's an unpluggable loophole.
KenTheLandlord said:The Sheik cannot give a gift but as stated, we are not in debt, nor owe anything, nor want to sell. It's a lot of hot air.
Maybe not a gift, but I can see of no conceivable way anyone can stop us selling things to buyer who are prepared to pay inflated prices.
It's an unpluggable loophole.
City Raider
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Platini's off his tits if he thinks banning us will get anywhere. Imagine a Champions League without the Champions of England?! If we're winning domestic trophies but aren't in Europe he'll be under ridiculous pressure as his tourny will be totally devalued and the winners can't say they're the best.
Anyway we may well be getting a little ahead of ourselves - found this little snippet in The Guardian (can't see it anywhere else on here). Includes Scudamore quote where he seems to think there's a long way to go for this to come off and seems to be sticking up for clubs like us...
"Uefa will begin the process of introducing new financial controls that it hopes will limit the ability of rich benefactors to artificially inflate the market.
Uefa's executive committee will convene in Nyon to discuss the new rules, which from 2012 would require clubs to break even and spend only what they earn from football-related income such as ticket sales and television deals. Money spent on developing infrastructure, stadiums and youth academies would be exempt.
Uefa's president, Michel Platini, said last month that the Chelsea owner, Roman Abramovich, was among "85-90%" of club owners who told him they wanted new controls. Uefa is expected to establish several working groups to deliver detailed proposals by next summer.
But Scudamore said he expected Premier League clubs to fight the proposals. "What Uefa are doing are ratifying concepts at this point. No one has seen the manual that contains any of this. I can't imagine that our clubs will be signing up to the detail," he said. "They may well be making warm noises when it comes to the principle but they won't sign up to the detail if it comes to an absolute regulation of their income."
He said the Premier League supported "80-90%" of Uefa's stance on financial fair play. "The clubs are not looking to move to a regulated space that links spend to income. It's that last 10% of the detail that we're not supportive of and I'm not sure necessarily that individual clubs are."
He said that Uefa's proposals would be counter-productive because they would simply mean the biggest clubs getting bigger and leave the rest unable to catch up.
"The biggest clubs are the biggest clubs because 121 years of history has made them that big. But we do not buy into the idea that you chop away the ladder from those who have got a legitimate benefactor who can afford to break into the top group," he said.
"If AFC Wimbledon make it all the way back through the ranks and somebody wanted to attach their money to that club, then why shouldn't they be able to reach the top and get into the Champions League? You have to keep the dream alive."
Anyway we may well be getting a little ahead of ourselves - found this little snippet in The Guardian (can't see it anywhere else on here). Includes Scudamore quote where he seems to think there's a long way to go for this to come off and seems to be sticking up for clubs like us...
"Uefa will begin the process of introducing new financial controls that it hopes will limit the ability of rich benefactors to artificially inflate the market.
Uefa's executive committee will convene in Nyon to discuss the new rules, which from 2012 would require clubs to break even and spend only what they earn from football-related income such as ticket sales and television deals. Money spent on developing infrastructure, stadiums and youth academies would be exempt.
Uefa's president, Michel Platini, said last month that the Chelsea owner, Roman Abramovich, was among "85-90%" of club owners who told him they wanted new controls. Uefa is expected to establish several working groups to deliver detailed proposals by next summer.
But Scudamore said he expected Premier League clubs to fight the proposals. "What Uefa are doing are ratifying concepts at this point. No one has seen the manual that contains any of this. I can't imagine that our clubs will be signing up to the detail," he said. "They may well be making warm noises when it comes to the principle but they won't sign up to the detail if it comes to an absolute regulation of their income."
He said the Premier League supported "80-90%" of Uefa's stance on financial fair play. "The clubs are not looking to move to a regulated space that links spend to income. It's that last 10% of the detail that we're not supportive of and I'm not sure necessarily that individual clubs are."
He said that Uefa's proposals would be counter-productive because they would simply mean the biggest clubs getting bigger and leave the rest unable to catch up.
"The biggest clubs are the biggest clubs because 121 years of history has made them that big. But we do not buy into the idea that you chop away the ladder from those who have got a legitimate benefactor who can afford to break into the top group," he said.
"If AFC Wimbledon make it all the way back through the ranks and somebody wanted to attach their money to that club, then why shouldn't they be able to reach the top and get into the Champions League? You have to keep the dream alive."
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From yesterday:
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140075" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140075</a>
Contains a report on the PL's own plans including Scudamore's own words, a link to the announcement on the UEFA website, and some questions by me about possible conflict between the PL and UEFA as well as a question about this statement by UEFA, "Under the concept, clubs cannot repeatedly spend more than their generated revenues."
<a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140075" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140075</a>
Contains a report on the PL's own plans including Scudamore's own words, a link to the announcement on the UEFA website, and some questions by me about possible conflict between the PL and UEFA as well as a question about this statement by UEFA, "Under the concept, clubs cannot repeatedly spend more than their generated revenues."
without a dream
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bearhass said:How about renting out executive boxes to various members of the abu dabi group on season long debentures for £x00,000 per week.
Are there any rules to stop that.
Nope if we ake them extra special and different to other boxes that can just be the price for them. I really don't think this is aimed specifically at us,just trying to keep the elite as they are Europewide. I would love to see one of the current big 4 'spending within their means' without CL footy but I imagine parachute payments from the CL would probably be brought in or something equally ridiculous.
If Platini succeeds, the clubs will have to increase ticket prices to increase their revenue so that they can compete in the transfer window's. Its the ordinary fan that will suffer, and crowds will go down.
How can Platini say to Sheikh Mansour sorry you cannot invest in your own club with your own money because its against our new regulations. I am sure the Skeikhs lawyers are keeping an eye on this. Wouldn't European company law overide UEFA regulations?
How can Platini say to Sheikh Mansour sorry you cannot invest in your own club with your own money because its against our new regulations. I am sure the Skeikhs lawyers are keeping an eye on this. Wouldn't European company law overide UEFA regulations?
Brucie Bonus
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without a dream said:bearhass said:How about renting out executive boxes to various members of the abu dabi group on season long debentures for £x00,000 per week.
Are there any rules to stop that.
Nope if we ake them extra special and different to other boxes that can just be the price for them. I really don't think this is aimed specifically at us,just trying to keep the elite as they are Europewide. I would love to see one of the current big 4 'spending within their means' without CL footy but I imagine parachute payments from the CL would probably be brought in or something equally ridiculous.
The new rules UEFA passed yesterday may not be aimed at us, but as Platini mentioned us by name in February, and a couple of weeks ago, it seems we are on his mind. UEFA's initial plan was to ban all debt and gift-financing. Yesterday after UEFA voted on the new rules package, the insertion of the word "repeatedly" struck me.
There looks like there's going to be trouble at th'mill with UEFA insisting on limits on income sources (even if the use of "repeatedly" by UEFA is in recognition of reality, is meant to provide some flexibility, and serve to insulate it from legal challenges), and the PL insisting that ALL 20 PL clubs ABSOLUTELY reject any controls on income generation.
Clevers
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Re: Twatini
"The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves, many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.
"The only people who want fewer rules are the ones who line their pockets," he said.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but don't these two quotes from the statement contradict each other?
"The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves, many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.
"The only people who want fewer rules are the ones who line their pockets," he said.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this but don't these two quotes from the statement contradict each other?
metalblue
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It's a lot of hot air and I can think of so many ways around it (some already mentioned) that they won't seriously be able to stop our owner from pouring as much money as he likes in, or indeed any other club that gets an owner with so many assests and interests.
What is gauling, however, is that he has discussed this with "certain" clubs and has agreement, this should be UEFA agreeing with the various national governing bodies who then agree with the member clubs not a few self serving clubs trying to make sure they are untouchable.
What is gauling, however, is that he has discussed this with "certain" clubs and has agreement, this should be UEFA agreeing with the various national governing bodies who then agree with the member clubs not a few self serving clubs trying to make sure they are untouchable.