Player thread: Vincent Kompany (2014/15)

[mancity1]

Loyalty was giving him a 5 year deal and he has said he wants to play out his career at City.

Been is your key word as captain we need a better one now pure and simple.

Vinny needs to re assess where his career at City is going and the club will show him that support.

Losing the captaincy doesn't mean the end of his time at the club its just part of our development.

If he even thought that way for a second he is not as smart as some of us give him credit for being.

Losing the captaincy is just part of our developement Vinny. Good luck selling that one to a man who's performed with pride and passion over many years and is now being dumped out of the team and stripped of the captaincy by many on here. If he becomes available for transfer there'd be no shortage of high profile suitors, and this thread smacks of be careful what you wish for as far as I'm concerned.

You're so petrified of losing him that stripping him of the captaincy, even if it actually makes the team perform better, is something that we shouldn't even consider?

He's not the only good defender in the world and if he cannot handle losing the captaincy due to poor performance then he certainly isn't the type of player we want as the building block of our entire defence.

Points well made Damocles , being relieved of the captaincy may in fact be exactly what he needs.

I have never questioned his attitude and loyalty etc and despite the drop in form he is always on the door of first eleven selection if available but isn't it time we started to think that we can actually do better than Vinny as captain in the next stage of our development?

If no one comes into the side with that quality of leadership that Vinny would happily play under ok , but I for one would be more concerned if we were not able to entice a natural born leader and winner to the club.

My side in the AFL got one under the age of 23 and the captain at the time was happy to step aside and played some real good footy under him.

FFS these decisions are made all the time for the betterment of the club as a whole.

Vinny losing the captaincy should he over the summer will be a good thing because I am confident that if he does we have the nouse to bring in a better one over the summer.

Improvement in all aspects including leadership is what we must strive for.

Has anybody thought that the burden of captaincy may be part of the reason Vinny has lost form.

 

[mancity1]

I don't think he's a very good captain because he lets his emotions get the best of him too often. Demichelis would be a better captain in his position though there aren't many candidates. Lampard if he was playing more.

There's a weakness in the squad there that as soon as things start going wrong, the crowd start getting a bit edgy and we don't have somebody on the pitch who is the cool head to keep the team ticking over. Kompany tries to do too much and you can see on numerous occasions that he starts going a bit headless chicken and shouting/pointing at everybody around him, especially when we're in the late stages and not winning. He thinks he should increase his effort as a show of leading by example - something that isn't always needed.

Pretty much how I feel about him. I've noticed that each time he makes a gaff, he tries harder to do something that is noticeably good (a big tackle, an interception, a killer pass), which in turn increases the chance of him making another mistake, so they just pile up.

Contrast this with MDM who, after making a mistake, will carry on playing his normal game, even if that means doing the boring, quiet positional stuff without doing anything spectacular.

Another thing that this whole discussion has reminded me of, and one which seems quite apt today, is that time he gave Nastasic a horrendous bollocking (think it was against Barca last year). Nasty got a bit tangled up and Barca nearly got in on goal, butthe ball was soon cleared for a corner. Kompany then just absolutely screamed at the lad - for a 20 year old, who'd already taken shit off people for Hart's gaffs against Villa and Chelsea, that was the last thing his confidence needed. I know we can all have different opinions of what makes a good leader, but for me, that isn't it.

Some are born leaders some are ascribed some grow into it and some are given the mantle because it exists and in truth the would prefer someone else to have it if avaialble.

Vinny to me has always been in the latter category.

 

[TCIB]

I like Vinny but if he has his head up his arse Fenandinho was right to pull him up. If he did the "do you know who i am" then yeah if i was Fernandinho i would get more pissed off also tbh.
We all need telling straight at some points in our life so no big issue as long as he calms down and climbs down. If he does this the issue will be forgotten soon.

They are grown men so if they can't brush off a bit off handbags then they do need a mental slap.

 

[without a dream]

Losing the captaincy is just part of our developement Vinny. Good luck selling that one to a man who's performed with pride and passion over many years and is now being dumped out of the team and stripped of the captaincy by many on here. If he becomes available for transfer there'd be no shortage of high profile suitors, and this thread smacks of be careful what you wish for as far as I'm concerned.

You're so petrified of losing him that stripping him of the captaincy, even if it actually makes the team perform better, is something that we shouldn't even consider?

He's not the only good defender in the world and if he cannot handle losing the captaincy due to poor performance then he certainly isn't the type of player we want as the building block of our entire defence.

Points well made Damocles , being relieved of the captaincy may in fact be exactly what he needs.

I have never questioned his attitude and loyalty etc and despite the drop in form he is always on the door of first eleven selection if available but isn't it time we started to think that we can actually do better than Vinny as captain in the next stage of our development?

If no one comes into the side with that quality of leadership that Vinny would happily play under ok , but I for one would be more concerned if we were not able to entice a natural born leader and winner to the club.

My side in the AFL got one under the age of 23 and the captain at the time was happy to step aside and played some real good footy under him.

FFS these decisions are made all the time for the betterment of the club as a whole.

Vinny losing the captaincy should he over the summer will be a good thing because I am confident that if he does we have the nouse to bring in a better one over the summer.

Improvement in all aspects including leadership is what we must strive for.

Has anybody thought that the burden of captaincy may be part of the reason Vinny has lost form.

The reason he's lost form is that the tactics hang our defenders out to dry and he's lost a bit of pace. There's three outcomes; he adapts his game, we adapt our game or he goes somewhere where the defence get a modicum of protection and he'll be back to his best with very little effort.

 

[TFC]

He has given our club a lot of dedication. He rejected Barcelona and I don't think many in our team would do that. He is definitely the most committed out of our squad to the club and hence he should remain as a captain regardless of Mirror's reports authenticity.

"We should leave him the captain to be nice"

VKFC OK.

Had a row last week, made the papers today....

 

[pudge]

Seen the headline, not read half the posts on it so apologies if it's been answered but is this still just the Mirror or has it been "confirmed" by anyone else?

 

[mancity1]

You're so petrified of losing him that stripping him of the captaincy, even if it actually makes the team perform better, is something that we shouldn't even consider?

He's not the only good defender in the world and if he cannot handle losing the captaincy due to poor performance then he certainly isn't the type of player we want as the building block of our entire defence.

Points well made Damocles , being relieved of the captaincy may in fact be exactly what he needs.

I have never questioned his attitude and loyalty etc and despite the drop in form he is always on the door of first eleven selection if available but isn't it time we started to think that we can actually do better than Vinny as captain in the next stage of our development?

If no one comes into the side with that quality of leadership that Vinny would happily play under ok , but I for one would be more concerned if we were not able to entice a natural born leader and winner to the club.

My side in the AFL got one under the age of 23 and the captain at the time was happy to step aside and played some real good footy under him.

FFS these decisions are made all the time for the betterment of the club as a whole.

Vinny losing the captaincy should he over the summer will be a good thing because I am confident that if he does we have the nouse to bring in a better one over the summer.

Improvement in all aspects including leadership is what we must strive for.

Has anybody thought that the burden of captaincy may be part of the reason Vinny has lost form.

The reason he's lost form is that the tactics hang our defenders out to dry and he's lost a bit of pace. There's three outcomes; he adapts his game, we adapt our game or he goes somewhere where the defence get a modicum of protection and he'll be back to his best with very little effort.

I like your first outcome the best but again its often the case that the player grows tired of the captains armband and wants to pass on the mantle to someone better suited when appropriate.

All the successful clubs over time change the batton at some stage.

If VK plays out his 5 year deal with us there is no way he will be captain come the end of it its obvious the role doesn't sit well with him and he would more than anybody want to pass it on to someone else , its just that nobody has stepped up to the plate so its pretty obvious our next captain will be someone that isn't playing for City at present.

 

[super_city_si]

Points well made Damocles , being relieved of the captaincy may in fact be exactly what he needs.

I have never questioned his attitude and loyalty etc and despite the drop in form he is always on the door of first eleven selection if available but isn't it time we started to think that we can actually do better than Vinny as captain in the next stage of our development?

If no one comes into the side with that quality of leadership that Vinny would happily play under ok , but I for one would be more concerned if we were not able to entice a natural born leader and winner to the club.

My side in the AFL got one under the age of 23 and the captain at the time was happy to step aside and played some real good footy under him.

FFS these decisions are made all the time for the betterment of the club as a whole.

Vinny losing the captaincy should he over the summer will be a good thing because I am confident that if he does we have the nouse to bring in a better one over the summer.

Improvement in all aspects including leadership is what we must strive for.

Has anybody thought that the burden of captaincy may be part of the reason Vinny has lost form.

The reason he's lost form is that the tactics hang our defenders out to dry and he's lost a bit of pace. There's three outcomes; he adapts his game, we adapt our game or he goes somewhere where the defence get a modicum of protection and he'll be back to his best with very little effort.

I like your first outcome the best but again its often the case that the player grows tired of the captains armband and wants to pass on the mantle to someone better suited when appropriate.

All the successful clubs over time change the batton at some stage.

If VK plays out his 5 year deal with us there is no way he will be captain come the end of it its obvious the role doesn't sit well with him and he would more than anybody want to pass it on to someone else , its just that nobody has stepped up to the plate so its pretty obvious our next captain will be someone that isn't playing for City at present.

How is it obvious? Because he has a slump in form? This happens to everyone and is exacerbated by out current tactics. My opinion is that Vinny is proud to be captain and up to now has been a great ambassador and captain for this team. I would go even further to suggest its his pride that has lead to this argument. I cant imagine he is happy with his performances and to be called out in front of team mates set off a defensive mechanism and his frustrations overtook.
Just what I think.

 

[moomba]

No need to make any drastic changes IMO. Get the form right and no-one will be questioning his leadership.

 

[NQCitizen]

No need to make any drastic changes IMO. Get the form right and no-one will be questioning his leadership.

Maybe better leadership would fix the form?