Player thread: Vincent Kompany (2014/15)

[Damocles]

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Stop talking crap, Vincent Kompany is a fantastic captain as history will show....
Now spout another 1000 words of nonsense to sound clever, I bet you love the sound of your own voice!!!

The fact that these are the amazing levels of replies I keep getting tell me that I'm probably on to something.

Vinny has been our captain through the most incredible period in this club's history. He's led us well and he's delivered the goods on the pitch and off it. I find him a honest, inspirational and articulate leader, who's held this team together and performed admirably well on numerous occasions when the pressure has been on. I see absolutely no benefit in removing the captaincy from him, and on the contrary, I see this as an extremely dangerous and potentially destabilising move that could seriously backfire if we were crazy enough to go down this route, because far from Kompany being a liability, he's an integral part of everything that's been good about our club since his arrival and we're extremely lucky to have him.

Can you give examples of this?

Remember, we aren't talking about final results of matches whether they came back and won or didn't manage it. We're talking about times where Kompany's leadership has helped the team improve their performance no matter how they finished

 

[pride in battle]

The fact that these are the amazing levels of replies I keep getting tell me that I'm probably on to something.

Vinny has been our captain through the most incredible period in this club's history. He's led us well and he's delivered the goods on the pitch and off it. I find him a honest, inspirational and articulate leader, who's held this team together and performed admirably well on numerous occasions when the pressure has been on. I see absolutely no benefit in removing the captaincy from him, and on the contrary, I see this as an extremely dangerous and potentially destabilising move that could seriously backfire if we were crazy enough to go down this route, because far from Kompany being a liability, he's an integral part of everything that's been good about our club since his arrival and we're extremely lucky to have him.

Can you give examples of this?

Remember, we aren't talking about final results of matches whether they came back and won or didn't manage it. We're talking about times where Kompany's leadership has helped the team improve their performance no matter how they finished

What do you want from a captain? Seriously you sound pathetic...

 

[Damocles]

Vinny has been our captain through the most incredible period in this club's history. He's led us well and he's delivered the goods on the pitch and off it. I find him a honest, inspirational and articulate leader, who's held this team together and performed admirably well on numerous occasions when the pressure has been on. I see absolutely no benefit in removing the captaincy from him, and on the contrary, I see this as an extremely dangerous and potentially destabilising move that could seriously backfire if we were crazy enough to go down this route, because far from Kompany being a liability, he's an integral part of everything that's been good about our club since his arrival and we're extremely lucky to have him.

Can you give examples of this?

Remember, we aren't talking about final results of matches whether they came back and won or didn't manage it. We're talking about times where Kompany's leadership has helped the team improve their performance no matter how they finished

What do you want from a captain? Seriously you sound pathetic...

I've already answered this at length. Maybe you should read more before posting hey?

 

[TCIB]

He has been a good captain for us yes but now i really do see his personality being a bit of a stumbling block.
As i said earlier he is more of a do'er follow my lead type player rather than having the brass balls to rip everyone a new arsehole even though your doing shite yourself.

I readily admit from defence it is rather hard to give that example as you making last gasp brilliant tackles is not what your manager wants. He would rather you never have to touch the ball. Viera had the perfect platform in the middle of the pitch to give his players a damned good visual of what he wants from you. A lot of opportunity to show the way as it were.

I think Kompany needs if he wants to stay captain be a bit more vocal, in fact a lot more vocal. He can shout the odd's but not often enough or at the right times. A player may benefit from a quick pat on the back after losing the ball and being urged to get back to his position a bit quicker for example.
Again it is hard to effect that from the back, i accept this.

We need our captain to always be vocal and keeping his players chins up not 80% of matches, i can imagine that being hard for anyone though when your in a slump yourself.

It sounds super critical but many of the worlds most dominant teams had a player whose word commanded respect by all the others.
Some matches that aura i feel is missing from Kompany. It is not really knocking him either this is an attribute you just need to be a captain of world beaters, you can still be a fine fine player.

Of all players though if he lost the captaincy i feel Kompany would look at it most logically of the lot and see it as a challenge to better himself. If not that at least see it as a chance to focus on getting back to top form.

I think what will happen is that Kompany will retain the arm band and we will get a midfielder with no aires or graces willing to be under Kompany but who has a strong personality and can effect a leaders attitude in the main area of play.

 

[hgblue]

The fact that these are the amazing levels of replies I keep getting tell me that I'm probably on to something.

Vinny has been our captain through the most incredible period in this club's history. He's led us well and he's delivered the goods on the pitch and off it. I find him a honest, inspirational and articulate leader, who's held this team together and performed admirably well on numerous occasions when the pressure has been on. I see absolutely no benefit in removing the captaincy from him, and on the contrary, I see this as an extremely dangerous and potentially destabilising move that could seriously backfire if we were crazy enough to go down this route, because far from Kompany being a liability, he's an integral part of everything that's been good about our club since his arrival and we're extremely lucky to have him.

Can you give examples of this?

Remember, we aren't talking about final results of matches whether they came back and won or didn't manage it. We're talking about times where Kompany's leadership has helped the team improve their performance no matter how they finished

One of my favourite all time City performances was the 1-0 win in our first title winning season. A must win game against the old enemy in a pressure cooker atmosphere. United were well and truly put in their place and Ferguson was sent packing with his tail between his legs. We were calm, controlled and fantastically led on the night with a truly inspirational performance by Kompany.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

This is an example of him putting his own emotions in front of the success of the team. He thinks that "more effort" and "trying harder" are what is needed when the pressure is on when all logic and research shows that that is the exact opposite of what's needed. This is why when soldiers are under attack they don't decide to become Rambo and instead have a cool, calm head about the decisions that they make and let their training take over. Because remaining composed and confident under extreme pressure is a billion times more valuable to any team than getting carried away. Kompany gets carried away and lets his desire to "lead on the front foot" and "be a leader" dictate his decision making. He's a man doing an impression of what he thinks a great leader is rather than letting natural leadership qualities shine through.

This doesn't matter if we win the Champions League or get relegated. It's not about his form or his performances. I don't know why so many are struggling with this concept.

I think what you are describing in terms of the military analogy is the role of the commanding officer in any combat situation.
A commanding officer has to have ice in his veins and see the big picture.

The "lead on the front foot" role which is also required is basically the nco role of leading by example and motivating the troops.

In football the manager is the commanding officer. He selects the team, he decides the formation and reacts to problems by
making substitutions and tactical changes. He is sufficiently distant from the action to make these calls.

The football captain, who is in the thick of the action, is obviously the nco in the military analogy,
If he is continually making bad decisions in the heat of battle then it is up to the manager to outline to him his responsibilities to the team.

The roles are different although I would agree that truly great captains have the potential to become truly great managers.
Vinny, although imo a very good captain,probably doesn't fall into that category but within the current squad there isn't an obvious replacement.

 

[pride in battle]

Can you give examples of this?

Remember, we aren't talking about final results of matches whether they came back and won or didn't manage it. We're talking about times where Kompany's leadership has helped the team improve their performance no matter how they finished

What do you want from a captain? Seriously you sound pathetic...

I've already answered this at length. Maybe you should read more before posting hey?

I have read at 'length' your anal ramblings....

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

I kind of agree, for example sometimes in a game after the ref gives a foul against us he can be seen throwing his head and moaning when really getting his defence organised would be a better idea. He tends to lose his cool when we are up against it.
Maybe he's still got some things to learn but he is a fantastically talented player that's helped us to win more games than lose.
Hopefully we get a response from him after getting dropped.

 

[kompany10]

can only laugh at this thread ... really do struggle to put up with our fans these days we are becoming a joke.

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

I'd rather him than Terry or Jones any day mind you