Player topic: Eliaquim Mangala (2014/15)

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Re: Mangala

He is a commodity at the end of the day and the price is was set by the selling party. We could have walked away, but we didn't. Therefore, I assume that our scouts (who had looked at this lad for some time) knew what they were buying.

I personally see the potential there and do believe he will improve significantly to become a real asset for us.
 
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cleavers said:
bobmcfc said:
I think his price is the reason people get all defensive about him and imagine all these qualities that he just doesn't posess. He's 23 ! That is not young in my opinion, I think nastasic showed just as much if not more potential than Mangala and where is he now ? Consigned to the scrap heap because he dropped a bollock against Chelsea. Easier to discard than mangala because he didn't come with the hefty price tag I guess
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You can't compare the two players because the football we play has changed greatly from the style that Nastasic was brought in for, and that is why Nastasic is nowhere near the team, he simply can't play the way this team/manager wants to play.

MP wants defenders who can tackle, and put us on to the attack, he wants our defenders to start the attacks, Mangala can do this, Nastasic couldn't. Nastasic is a good defender, but that's all he does, MP doesn't want that, he wants other attributes (whether fans like it or not).

Most CB's don't get anywhere near their best until about 28, so Mangala has 5 years to mature , he's also learning from two great CB's with vast experience, and needs time alongside both to learn, and while he will make mistakes, he'll get better at it.

Nastasic is on the "scrap heap" because he was advised to find another club, and he failed.
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actually nastasic was very good with the ball and can start attacks..

mp prefers tall, muscular , scary looking defenders (now u know why he wanted pepe) .. hence why nasty has to go.
 
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de niro said:
go on i'll bite. forget the price tag.

who do we prefer.
magala or nasty?
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Mangala.

Nasty is a centre back in England who cannot deal with crosses. John Cleese couldn't write that shit. It's like an attacking midfielder going to Brazil and not being able to beat his man.
 
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cleavers said:
mastermind said:
actually nastasic was very good with the ball and can start attacks..
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...eventually, and that's the problem, MP wants them to start attacks quickly, and as nice a guy as he is, and as good a footballer too, Nastasic doesn't fit the bill, and that's why MP wants "tall, muscular, scary" CB's.
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He's also slower than receding glaciers and half of the time looks lost on whether to press or not.

Can't understand why anybody here could rate him in our style of football. He's a bit like Robinho - he's good to great if you play the exacting and very narrow system of football that he understands and can thrive in. If you want any sort of flexibility though and he plays outside of his expertise it's like playing with 10 men on the pitch.

Take a watch of him on this Arsenal game and pay attention to how he can never make up his mind so ends up doing nothing/making no decisions when players are breaking at him:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOVZ7c9oU6Q[/video]

Honestly, I think he might have had about 5 good games for us in his career here and people got overexcited at it because he was compared to Joleon Lescott who had the passing range of Christopher Reeve. I'd snatch your hand off for the reported £15m fee.

You can argue that Mangala is making mistakes and I'd agree but the lad never hides, never backs out of a decision and if anything he commits too much. You can train that. You can't train bravery. I have no doubt that Nasty will move to Italy or some lower standard of league and be hailed as the next Pique because he can pass a ball. I also have no doubt that he will not succeed in England and probably never will. He is the prototypical Arsenal player - great technically, shit scared of making a decision.
 
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Damocles said:
Take a watch of him on this Arsenal game and pay attention to how he can never make up his mind so ends up doing nothing/making no decisions when players are breaking at him
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I know its a small sample size, but its why he's not part of this team for sure. I was one of his fans, and with Kompany alongside, and Mancini's defensive tactics he was fine, but he's not got what this team needs. I hope he gets a move that suits him, because he's a decent footballer, but not in the PL for me.
 
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not impressed to be honest. fills me with dread whenever on the ball or on a 1 on 1 with a player. that shouldnt hapen with a 32 million pound player. would have happily taken the likes of Virgil Van Dijk, shawcross or vertonghen insteadof him and they've have cost much less
 
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Re: nastasic starts attacks and mangala doesnt

i don't remember nastasic ever playing ten risky ball. That's why he always had those high percentage pass rate

you see it with kompany and semi, they lose the ball sometimes while passing forward. Its same with mangala, he had the assist for sergio's opener at qpr. He also showed some very good medium to long range passing and switch of play. IMO hr is much better than nasty there
 
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I rate Mangala and I rate Nastasic. At 21 and 23 they're both young. Mangala has a better physique, better strength, better 2 footedness. But I do feel that Nastasic has more nounce, a more defensive brain.

If both were to reach their potential I'd have Mangala all day. Yet still I won't be happy when Nastasic is inevitably sold. That's what's it's like these days supporting City, we're gonna sell great players...
 
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