Not always no, but in football a record transfer fee normally infers the player has above average ability. So far we're yet to see that.mosssideblue said:SilverFox2 said:J_Bow said:It's not been an ideal debut season when usual reliable playerss like Zabaleta and Kompany drop their level of performance and the midfield not protecting their defence often enough leaving them exposed. I understand why we've not given him regular time in a way, team's been a shambles and he'd have struggled while adapting to the team/league, though on the other hand he's not played enough games and consecutive ones too.
Cannot disagree that most players are not at their best but his price tag infers he has a certain amount of ability irrespective of his potential. As a defender it would help if he shone a little because the way how we are playing should give him plenty of practice.
I am struggling to remember him being outstanding in any game where our team was collectively not on song. Perhaps he is one of those players who only looks good in a side that collectively plays well.
The only thing his price tag infers is what we paid for him.
He is a commodity that was for sale. The seller put a price on him and we agreed said price.
Ability and price do not neccessarily go hand in hand
mosssideblue said:SilverFox2 said:J_Bow said:It's not been an ideal debut season when usual reliable playerss like Zabaleta and Kompany drop their level of performance and the midfield not protecting their defence often enough leaving them exposed. I understand why we've not given him regular time in a way, team's been a shambles and he'd have struggled while adapting to the team/league, though on the other hand he's not played enough games and consecutive ones too.
Cannot disagree that most players are not at their best but his price tag infers he has a certain amount of ability irrespective of his potential. As a defender it would help if he shone a little because the way how we are playing should give him plenty of practice.
I am struggling to remember him being outstanding in any game where our team was collectively not on song. Perhaps he is one of those players who only looks good in a side that collectively plays well.
The only thing his price tag infers is what we paid for him.
He is a commodity that was for sale. The seller put a price on him and we agreed said price.
Ability and price do not neccessarily go hand in hand
Damanino said:I watched Porto yesterday and somehow the fact we bought their best CB and best DM in Octopus didnt make them any weaker but instead they are much better side than were last season with Fernando+Mangala when they failed to make a huge run in the EL.
Now without them they are making a huge run in CL.
Its all very interesting.
You would think Mangala+Fernando leaving will make them weaker at least on short term but not at all as it seems.
Apart from this I think Mangala would do lot better in an organized defence with support for the defence from midfield. But we will never have that under Pellegrini
So a new manager is the best hope for Mangala.
supercity88 said:You cannot deny we paid a huge sum for a player largely untested at this level. Mangala was wanted by a lot of clubs though so that's what drove his price up. He has all the attributes to be a fantastic player. Quick, strong, good on the ball. The pace of the game is different though and I think players from the Portuguese league can sometimes struggle with that.
We've thrown him into a side that has forgot how to defend and he's had all eyes on him because he's the newest signing. Give him time and he will come good for us, I'm sure of it. He suits the style of football the club is aiming to produce and he's better on the ball and more comfortable in possession than Kompany. He just needs to get up to speed with the league and realise that in the prem there will be someone chasing him and hounding him for the ball at all times.
Bruun said:Damanino said:I watched Porto yesterday and somehow the fact we bought their best CB and best DM in Octopus didnt make them any weaker but instead they are much better side than were last season with Fernando+Mangala when they failed to make a huge run in the EL.
Now without them they are making a huge run in CL.
Its all very interesting.
You would think Mangala+Fernando leaving will make them weaker at least on short term but not at all as it seems.
Apart from this I think Mangala would do lot better in an organized defence with support for the defence from midfield. But we will never have that under Pellegrini
So a new manager is the best hope for Mangala.
You base that on one game?
Porto have been a shaky unit this season. Bayern were stunned after 2 minutes, where Neuer should have been sent off, Bayern never recovered, which Porto picked up on.
It's an impressive stat on its own but for it to mean anything you'd have to take into account the opposition and general performance of the team.Rolee said:We've kept 10 clean sheets in the PL this season, Mangala started 8 of them 10 games.
Just saying.