Player topic: Eliaquim Mangala (2014/15)

[City_Sean]

At the moment he doesn't measure up to Micah Richards . He puts it about in the opposition penalty area but is static in ours. He may very well have the attributes (for £35 million you'd hope so) in which case he needs coaching one to one.
When we bought him I was in Portugal and asked a cab driver about him and he pissed himself laughing.
He's had a few games now and needs to start showing the basics of a defensive player.

Are you pissed or just genuinely trying to wum, albeit poorly.

 

[grim up north]

At the moment he doesn't measure up to Micah Richards . He puts it about in the opposition penalty area but is static in ours. He may very well have the attributes (for £35 million you'd hope so) in which case he needs coaching one to one.
When we bought him I was in Portugal and asked a cab driver about him and he pissed himself laughing.
He's had a few games now and needs to start showing the basics of a defensive player.

Ah the cab driver, I was in Sunderland and asked a cab driver about Alan Shearer he pissed himself laughing

 

[Blue Hefner]

Mangala did the right thing in the mix up with Hart; he was decisive and had he dwelled on the ball, it might have become a Neville/Goater situation.

But the worrying thing is he's positionally awful; for Lamela's misshit volley, he's just bouncing around a few yards away from him. He will ultimately cost us too many goals from similar situations if we persist with him on the next few seasons, goals that will lose us vital points.

Demichelis is no better; one key issue to address this summer is finding a proper defender who complements Kompany like Lescott and then Nastasic did.

This urban myth again.

Agreed never rated him. Not dominant enough for a centre back.

He was 19!!!
He need coaching not selling!

Mangala isn't 30mil centre back not matter which way you look at it. However, we are into now so he needs coaching and/or a team setting up to get the best out of him

Selling him isn't an option but nor is carrying on the way things are - he needs protection and a settles defence. Pathetic really for the price he should be able to hold his own

 

[nellyonthewing]

At the moment he doesn't measure up to Micah Richards . He puts it about in the opposition penalty area but is static in ours. He may very well have the attributes (for £35 million you'd hope so) in which case he needs coaching one to one.
When we bought him I was in Portugal and asked a cab driver about him and he pissed himself laughing.
He's had a few games now and needs to start showing the basics of a defensive player.

Are you pissed or just genuinely trying to wum, albeit poorly.

Have you ever played football at any level (not including subbuteo ) .If you had you might understand basic defensive duties.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

He's an easy target for people to slate due to his transfer fee.

After a shaky start to the season I would go as far as saying he has been our best CB this season. It's no coincidence that our best spells of the season have all come with him in the side. He has everything in his locker to be the best CB in the PL, if not Europe. He's fast, strong, can play a pass and is developing a good reading of the game.

However, that won't stop the media and the pundits from giving him unnecessary stick.

Fernando lost his man at a corner and Mangala gets blamed. A mix up in communication between Manga and Hart which leads to Eli putting the ball in row z and he gets blamed. Demichellis plays Kane onside and Manga gets blamed.

I highly doubt anyone has blamed Mangala for the occasion when Dier had a free header after Fernandinho lost him at a corner. Perhaps he has been criticized for losing track of his man, Fazio, at a subsequent corner with similar poor marking.

As for the occasion when Hart called for the ball, that was simply poor play from Mangala; poor communication and it general poor play taking the ball towards his own goal.

Also, again, I highly doubt anyone has criticized Mangala for Demichelis' poor play in the lead up to Kane's one on one with Hart. I suggest that's just hyperbole; shockingly it goes both ways in this thread.

I am in no doubt that Mangala will be a fantastic player for us, however, I don't feel the need nor insecurity to constantly say that like so many others. If he has a poor game, I'll say so; that's not a comment on him generally as a player it's always regarding his performance. If he has a good game, I'll say so; that doesn't mean I think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

He had a decent game overall yesterday, shaky first half for the most part and a solid second half. I don't feel the need to say "Demichelis was worse/He's playing next to Kolarov and has no support" every time after a game whenever someone doesn't agree with them. I don't have an opinion on him based on what a newspaper says, I can think he plays poorly and well without it having to be influenced by an article written 6-8 months ago.

This thread is filled with more comments from people who slag off other defenders and players to almost excuse any small mistake from Mangala. As well as numerous people slagging off other posters and dismissing their opinion because The Sun once printed a negative story about him so that's why any negative comment on here is based; "Idiots on here writing him off because of what the media says" etc, not true in the slightest or at all relevant at this stage but it makes people seem bluer than blue.

He's a good player, potentially great, who can have a bad game/moment like anyone else. Both sides going to needless extremes reeks of sensitivity and insecurity. Next week if he plays well the first post will no doubt be "where are all those who wrote him off?" or if he plays poorly "Where are all his supporters now?" Give it a rest and stop being so touchy.

MOTD said that it was poor play from Mangala for not covering Dier and 5 live said the same.

Mangala did 100% the right thing during the mix up with Hart. If you are not sure then you get rid. Poor communication happens between two players not one. It could have easily have been another Nastasic/Hart mix up if he did not take control.

And of course people have a right to criticise players but at least be consistent with the criticisms and give praise where its due. Mangala has been far more impressive than worse this season as the stats show.

Finally, people are bound to compare performances between players. That's why we have a competitive squad. People are always going to judge Eli's performances to Kompany's and Demi's. That's the way it goes.

You're right mate I thought the same when Iwas watching motd. In particular the supposed mix up with Hart - it would have been an issue if mangala hadn't dealt with the situation, but he did. He knew Hart was calling but thought with a spurs player bearing down on him it was better not to take the chance and leave it to Hart but to deal with it himself, nothing wrong with that at all. He dealt with it. It would have been an issue if 1. He hadn't have dealt with it (which he did) or 2. He'd kicked it out rather than leaving it to joe when he was under no pressure (which he was)

 

[pudge]

I highly doubt anyone has blamed Mangala for the occasion when Dier had a free header after Fernandinho lost him at a corner. Perhaps he has been criticized for losing track of his man, Fazio, at a subsequent corner with similar poor marking.

As for the occasion when Hart called for the ball, that was simply poor play from Mangala; poor communication and it general poor play taking the ball towards his own goal.

Also, again, I highly doubt anyone has criticized Mangala for Demichelis' poor play in the lead up to Kane's one on one with Hart. I suggest that's just hyperbole; shockingly it goes both ways in this thread.

I am in no doubt that Mangala will be a fantastic player for us, however, I don't feel the need nor insecurity to constantly say that like so many others. If he has a poor game, I'll say so; that's not a comment on him generally as a player it's always regarding his performance. If he has a good game, I'll say so; that doesn't mean I think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

He had a decent game overall yesterday, shaky first half for the most part and a solid second half. I don't feel the need to say "Demichelis was worse/He's playing next to Kolarov and has no support" every time after a game whenever someone doesn't agree with them. I don't have an opinion on him based on what a newspaper says, I can think he plays poorly and well without it having to be influenced by an article written 6-8 months ago.

This thread is filled with more comments from people who slag off other defenders and players to almost excuse any small mistake from Mangala. As well as numerous people slagging off other posters and dismissing their opinion because The Sun once printed a negative story about him so that's why any negative comment on here is based; "Idiots on here writing him off because of what the media says" etc, not true in the slightest or at all relevant at this stage but it makes people seem bluer than blue.

He's a good player, potentially great, who can have a bad game/moment like anyone else. Both sides going to needless extremes reeks of sensitivity and insecurity. Next week if he plays well the first post will no doubt be "where are all those who wrote him off?" or if he plays poorly "Where are all his supporters now?" Give it a rest and stop being so touchy.

MOTD said that it was poor play from Mangala for not covering Dier and 5 live said the same.

Mangala did 100% the right thing during the mix up with Hart. If you are not sure then you get rid. Poor communication happens between two players not one. It could have easily have been another Nastasic/Hart mix up if he did not take control.

And of course people have a right to criticise players but at least be consistent with the criticisms and give praise where its due. Mangala has been far more impressive than worse this season as the stats show.

Finally, people are bound to compare performances between players. That's why we have a competitive squad. People are always going to judge Eli's performances to Kompany's and Demi's. That's the way it goes.

You're right mate I thought the same when Iwas watching motd. In particular the supposed mix up with Hart - it would have been an issue if mangala hadn't dealt with the situation, but he did. He knew Hart was calling but thought with a spurs player bearing down on him it was better not to take the chance and leave it to Hart but to deal with it himself, nothing wrong with that at all. He dealt with it. It would have been an issue if 1. He hadn't have dealt with it (which he did) or 2. He'd kicked it out rather than leaving it to joe when he was under no pressure (which he was)

No it wouldn't have

[video]https://vine.co/v/eZBdnH02wjZ[/video]

So people can't criticize but you can lick his arse? Good to know

 

[BigOscar]

At the moment he doesn't measure up to Micah Richards . He puts it about in the opposition penalty area but is static in ours. He may very well have the attributes (for £35 million you'd hope so) in which case he needs coaching one to one.
When we bought him I was in Portugal and asked a cab driver about him and he pissed himself laughing.
He's had a few games now and needs to start showing the basics of a defensive player.

Are you pissed or just genuinely trying to wum, albeit poorly.

Have you ever played football at any level (not including subbuteo ) .If you had you might understand basic defensive duties.

Have you ever posted anything positive about City? Genuine question

 

[.A.]

Mangala did the right thing in the mix up with Hart; he was decisive and had he dwelled on the ball, it might have become a Neville/Goater situation.

But the worrying thing is he's positionally awful; for Lamela's misshit volley, he's just bouncing around a few yards away from him. He will ultimately cost us too many goals from similar situations if we persist with him on the next few seasons, goals that will lose us vital points.

Demichelis is no better; one key issue to address this summer is finding a proper defender who complements Kompany like Lescott and then Nastasic did.

This urban myth again.

Yeah, the one who came into a new league, in a new country, having to learn a new language, having all of the same excuses people have used for Mangala's ineptitude, but did so 5 years younger, costing a third of the price and still performed infinitely better than the joke Porto pulled our pants down for last summer has. That kid.

 

[daztrueblue91]

MOTD said that it was poor play from Mangala for not covering Dier and 5 live said the same.

Mangala did 100% the right thing during the mix up with Hart. If you are not sure then you get rid. Poor communication happens between two players not one. It could have easily have been another Nastasic/Hart mix up if he did not take control.

And of course people have a right to criticise players but at least be consistent with the criticisms and give praise where its due. Mangala has been far more impressive than worse this season as the stats show.

Finally, people are bound to compare performances between players. That's why we have a competitive squad. People are always going to judge Eli's performances to Kompany's and Demi's. That's the way it goes.

You're right mate I thought the same when Iwas watching motd. In particular the supposed mix up with Hart - it would have been an issue if mangala hadn't dealt with the situation, but he did. He knew Hart was calling but thought with a spurs player bearing down on him it was better not to take the chance and leave it to Hart but to deal with it himself, nothing wrong with that at all. He dealt with it. It would have been an issue if 1. He hadn't have dealt with it (which he did) or 2. He'd kicked it out rather than leaving it to joe when he was under no pressure (which he was)

No it wouldn't have

[video]https://vine.co/v/eZBdnH02wjZ[/video]

So people can't criticize but you can lick his arse? Good to know

I don't get your problem.

It's normal for fans to back one of their own, even more so when that player has been slagged off all season. On a whole Mangala has had a solid first season so far in the PL. He has made a few mistakes and there is plenty of room for improvement but none of our defenders have stood out this season. You could even make a strong case that Eli has been our best CB this season and the stats will back that up.

 

[lasereyes]

This urban myth again.

Agreed never rated him. Not dominant enough for a centre back.

He was 19!!!
He need coaching not selling!

Mangala isn't 30mil centre back not matter which way you look at it. However, we are into now so he needs coaching and/or a team setting up to get the best out of him

Selling him isn't an option but nor is carrying on the way things are - he needs protection and a settles defence. Pathetic really for the price he should be able to hold his own

You're off topic. I didn't opine on whether Nastasic was coachable or not. Responding to someone else saying that Nastasic was a proper defender who complemented Kompany.