Player Topic: Jason Denayer (2015/2016)

[zandvoort blue]

Galatasaray have announced the permanent signing of a right back from Norwegian club Molde.

 

[twosips]

Look at his athleticism here...



Clearly fits the bill in terms of being an exceptional athlete too.

 

[g180aj]

Do we know wether he is definitely being recalled or not yet?

 

[schfc6]

So he sidelined Demichelis to a cameo & used Denayer (homegrown, takes up no space in squad). Oh no, he got rid of the kid & welcomed his mate back in.

Same way he does everything.

You know that Pellegrini doesn't make these calls right? If you want to point the finger, point it at the man responsible for sales and recruitment.

As for Pellegrini's panic buy of Otamendi, you honestly think we would allow a manager who knows he's being replaced to spend £30 million on a panic player... Come on. That is not how we are run.

As for Denayer I fully agree, in our current predicament he'd ideally be here and playing. Had Kompany & Zabaleta remained fit all season, he'd have been watching from the stands.

We would all love to see him play, but I doubt he'd play over Mangala, not because of their respective abilities but their value. Rightly or wrongly football is a business and part of a managers job is to manage his assets value.

This is unfortunately why Bony will be preferred to Iheanacho.

 

[Centurions]

Do we know wether he is definitely being recalled or not yet?

Unless I've missed something I think it's only been suggested on here that we recall him.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

We need to act like Eddie 3 trees with loan conditions, after Joe Hart at Birmingham a few years ago you'd have thought we'd have learned something.

If the deal is watertight for the season then we need to make it worth Galas while to give our player back, either with gaurenteed further loans of established players, Fernando/Navas/Nasri type next season or drop them a few quid.

 

[g180aj]

Unless I've missed something I think it's only been suggested on here that we recall him.

Yes only been said on here, although my mate had heard the same a couple of days prior to the post, I was referring to wether anyone with substance( i.e. @tolmie's hairdoo, @Ric, @MCRJON) on here had confirmed any intention to recall him.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You know that Pellegrini doesn't make these calls right? If you want to point the finger, point it at the man responsible for sales and recruitment.

As for Pellegrini's panic buy of Otamendi, you honestly think we would allow a manager who knows he's being replaced to spend £30 million on a panic player... Come on. That is not how we are run.

As for Denayer I fully agree, in our current predicament he'd ideally be here and playing. Had Kompany & Zabaleta remained fit all season, he'd have been watching from the stands.

We would all love to see him play, but I doubt he'd play over Mangala, not because of their respective abilities but their value. Rightly or wrongly football is a business and part of a managers job is to manage his assets value.

This is unfortunately why Bony will be preferred to Iheanacho.

I don't believe that anyone other than Pellegrini makes the calls re the first team & the reason Denayer isn't around imo, is that Demichelis' move fell through & Pel is loyal to him & didn't realise Denayer would be able to play other positions as well as cb & therefore invaluable to the squad.

I don't believe we would allow Pellegrini to spend 80 mil on a player under the circumstances pre season, but 30 mil ? Absolutely. He was with Txiki, personally watching Otamendi during the South American Championships. I believe he decided to pull the trigger on that because of how bad our cbs were pre season in Germany (as it happened, Kompany sorted it during the week, & him & Mangala played a blinder v Chelsea, totally fucking the plan). Otemendi has subsequently proved a decent signing, & keeping Denayer would have strengthened us even further.

Players entering/leaving the academy, is outside Pel's control, yes, but once a player is designated to join the first team squad, I believe Pellegrini has 100% say in what happens to him, & that he picks which players should be promoted to his squad or sold from it. I'm sure he listens to the opinions of the coaches, but I believe he is the one who decides whether or not to use these kids &i also believe he will on some occasions be going against the advice given by the coaches in that respect. Quite often I rcon. I think we will see a big difference next season in that respect.

But this is perfectly the correct procedure imo. Pellegrini should have total control of first team matters & it would be badly wrong if Txiki or the academy coaches had any power to change his decision. It would make his job impossble & his position untenable. I believe Txiki's assertion that this does not happen, & that Pellegrini is 100% in control of first team affairs.

As regards assets value, let's see how much that matters when Pep Guardiola takes over. I recon, not very much, but we'll see.

 

[PragueBlue]

I don't believe that anyone other than Pellegrini makes the calls re the first team & the reason Denayer isn't around imo, is that Demichelis' move fell through & Pel is loyal to him & didn't realise Denayer would be able to play other positions as well as cb & therefore invaluable to the squad.

There were rumours that Mangala was supposed to be leaving as well (on loan I think) but he turned that down which left us with 5 CBs and rather than having Denayer just sitting on the bench most of the season, the decision was made to loan him out for more experience. With hindsight that was probably a mistake due to the number of defensive injuries (and MD's drop in form) that we have had but at the time I could understand why such a decision was made. We started the season looking very solid defensively and if we hadn't had so many injuries, Denayer would most likely have had very little game time.

No doubt he'll get his chance to fight for a place next season.

 

[daztrueblue91]

I don't believe that anyone other than Pellegrini makes the calls re the first team & the reason Denayer isn't around imo, is that Demichelis' move fell through & Pel is loyal to him & didn't realise Denayer would be able to play other positions as well as cb & therefore invaluable to the squad.

I don't believe we would allow Pellegrini to spend 80 mil on a player under the circumstances pre season, but 30 mil ? Absolutely. He was with Txiki, personally watching Otamendi during the South American Championships. I believe he decided to pull the trigger on that because of how bad our cbs were pre season in Germany (as it happened, Kompany sorted it during the week, & him & Mangala played a blinder v Chelsea, totally fucking the plan). Otemendi has subsequently proved a decent signing, & keeping Denayer would have strengthened us even further.

Players entering/leaving the academy, is outside Pel's control, yes, but once a player is designated to join the first team squad, I believe Pellegrini has 100% say in what happens to him, & that he picks which players should be promoted to his squad or sold from it. I'm sure he listens to the opinions of the coaches, but I believe he is the one who decides whether or not to use these kids &i also believe he will on some occasions be going against the advice given by the coaches in that respect. Quite often I rcon. I think we will see a big difference next season in that respect.

But this is perfectly the correct procedure imo. Pellegrini should have total control of first team matters & it would be badly wrong if Txiki or the academy coaches had any power to change his decision. It would make his job impossble & his position untenable. I believe Txiki's assertion that this does not happen, & that Pellegrini is 100% in control of first team affairs.

As regards assets value, let's see how much that matters when Pep Guardiola takes over. I recon, not very much, but we'll see.

It shouldn't matter one bit if Denayer can play other positions.

We want him to develop in his natural role as a CB. Due to the competition here a first team spot would not be guaranteed and it is crucial that he kicks on from his good season at Celtic. Galatasaray is a very good move for him. An upgrade from Celtic, playing in the CL and for a team who can compete for domestic honours.

The last thing we want is for him to end up like Phil Jones who due to be played everywhere is bang average and not outstanding in any position.