Player Topic : Joe Hart (2015/2016)

[blueplan]

Yet again you come out with the asinine, half baked, insults.

Listen, not everyone sees things precisely the same way you do, halfwit.

Disagree by all means, but don't try and characterise people who see things differently to you as some kind of clown with no understanding of the sport.

It's insincere, and pathetic. It's the lowest common denominator of a response.

It's not true, and it just goes to show that you're incapable of countering any of the points raised, or articulating your own counter argument.

I've made my position clear, I've said why I feel the way I do. If you disagree you could always reply to my posts and let me know what you dispute and why, and then maybe we could have a discussion.

Or your could just carry on with this type of lazy shit that contributes nothing to the thread or the forum.

Another Joe's fanboys or PR machine.

 

[Yates]

When there is no need especially when he has time and space. Lack of reading the game well or 'football nous' to play out.
Joe is more of a reactionary rather than a proactive GK, in the last line of defense, in the modern era of football.

As the last line of defense he should add strength to the back four rather than being a stationary GK in the box. These are skills or football nous which you can't develop.

Ye I guess you're right, Hart looking uncomfortable in doing shows it

 

[BlueAnorak]

Another Joe's fanboys or PR machine.

I wondered when you would pop out of the woodwork on this topic.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yet again you come out with the asinine, half baked, insults.

Listen, not everyone sees things precisely the same way you do, halfwit.

Disagree by all means, but don't try and characterise people who see things differently to you as some kind of clown with no understanding of the sport.

It's insincere, and pathetic. It's the lowest common denominator of a response.

It's not true, and it just goes to show that you're incapable of countering any of the points raised, or articulating your own counter argument.

I've made my position clear, I've said why I feel the way I do. If you disagree you could always reply to my posts and let me know what you dispute and why, and then maybe we could have a discussion.

Or your could just carry on with this type of lazy shit that contributes nothing to the thread or the forum.

Nowhere have I insulted you. I have merely compared your cherry picking of Squawker statistics to someone playing FIFA 14/15/16 (and yes I did insult FIFA players who think that FIFA stats make them knowledgeable about appropriate football stats).

You simply can't cherry pick statistics like you have. It simply doesn't work in the real world. You have to take all of them into account including clean sheets and goals conceded. Indeed, if publicly available statistics were the be-all and end-all then Costel Pantimilon would have been held up as the best goalkeeper in the Premier League for season 2014/15. Costel Pantimilon better than Joe Hart! Realy? Err no. Not in the real world. The publicly available stats just show how much the keeper has to do.
You need to know how how many goalkeeping events there are, how good each cross/shoot/header was, how easy it was to save/catch/punch, how good the starting position of the keeper was, how good/bad the defending was, etc, etc. How keepers performed in like for like games (to give some real basis for comparison) - lots and lots of data points that aren't even present in the publicly available football statistics.

Oh and BTW I'm a qualified statistician.

And at the weekend:
[1] Moses wasn't closed down by the defence and got a fantastic shot away that Hart just failed to get to. Who's fault? Hart failing to save is secondary to the poor defending.
[2] Sakho scored from a corner that should never have been given and at which the defenders didn't get close to. Joe was boxed in - something that an on form KOMPANY never allows to happen. Other defenders need to get their act together.
Against Juventus Hart was beaten by an inch perfect snap shot [4] and a flick from a great cross [3], both just inside the post. Save difficulty for both = very high. Also Pogba had all day to line up a perfect cross (whose fault is that?)

Yes I will pull Hart up on his distribution, but even that is slowly improving.
Overall this season, aside from some poor positioning against West Brom, Hart has been pretty good and if you're going to cherry pick stats then I can too.
2 goals against, 5 clean sheets = best in the league.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Quite a few times but got shouted down by Joe's fanboys.
My perception is that this is Joe's inherent weakness.

For the love of Ric, cut the 'fan boys' shit out.

 

[blueplan]

Never Hart's faults.
Always providing excuses for supposedly a GK who is the last line of defense.
Fault finding our stalwart defense when GK is not up to par viz who has line of sight of opponent taking a shot from way outside the box.

 

[blueplan]

When in comparison his counterpart at the other end outperformed him.

 

[blueplan]

If our defense was breached or being penetrated by Moses and he scored inside our box then we can rightly put the blame on the defense.
But to suggest that its their fault and not Hart's (main culprit) is disingenouous. Might as well place a traffic cone at the goal crease.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Of course Hart makes mistakes - he was lucky twice against West Brom this season and he should have stopped the Cleverly goal against Villa last season. That said you're talking rubbish about the Moses shot. The Sky Commentator described it as a "sensational strike" with the ball travelling at some pace. Indeed if Hart had saved it and he very nearly did it would have been a very good save.

 

[super_city_si]

@blueplan You say Adrian performed better than Hart, yet he was beaten by a shot from range that didn't even go in the corner. Hart wasn't to blame for those goals.